The Windrush people actually ended up as effective asylum seekers and in some cases actual refugees after having cases reviewed and at times were even deported, simply for the crime of not having the right documents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windrush_scandal#:~:text=The%20Windrush%20hotline%20had%20recorded,appointments%20with%20the%20Home%20Office.

But I accept, my post made it look like I said they were refugees and they came here as refugees, when they didn't, the others didn't either they came here and were accepted straight into the country (except maybe the Vietnamese). The people fleeing the Mau-Mau uprising were treated exactly like the Windrush people and were not technically treated as refugees, they were given automatic citizenship

Good point, it may be even more flawed than the Rwanda scheme, so it's incomparable.

QuoteThe European Commission can no longer ignore mounting evidence of the gross human rights violations against migrants and refugees in Tunisia, say MEPs and activists.

The EU has given millions of pounds to Tunisia to reduce migration from north Africa into Europe in a deal that pledges "respect for human rights" and piqued the interest of the UK prime minister, Keir Starmer.

But a Guardian investigation this week reported on allegations of widespread abuses committed by EU-funded security forces in Tunisia, including sexual violence against vulnerable women.

There is now growing pressure on the commission to reveal how long it has been aware of reports of these violent practices, what it is doing to "remedy the situation" and whether more EU money will be sent to Tunisia.

"How is that reduction achieved? People are incarcerated, women are raped, and children are dumped and left to die in the desert; this is happening on a daily basis," said David Yambio, spokesperson for the NGO Refugees in Libya.

"Each agreement made with the Tunisian and Libyan regime is a death sentence for migrants and refugees," he added.

Catherine Woollard, director of the European Council on Refugees and Exiles, said: "These abuses are the horrifying yet entirely predictable violations that always result from these kinds of deals.

"Civil society organisations both in Tunisia and the EU are taking every possible step to defend the rights of those affected, including through direct assistance and support, litigation, monitoring and documenting abuses. Unfortunately, civil society is itself also being repressed."

Guardian

Quote from: Borg Refinery on October 05, 2024, 03:47:16 PMThe Times

I read an article some years back that said the asylum system has been in perpetual crisis since 1992. It wasn't like that before, even with the big influxes that came before - such as Windrush, Vietnamese, Indian-Kenyans & Ugandans and etc.

I'd be more interested in the average (or median) delay and not what a one off weird case might produce.  I suspect thought that that average delay is bad.  it will surely get worse when there is no real disincentive on people making false asylum claims.  We need to fix thet.

PS Windrush was nothing to do with asylum seeking.

No the EU does not, we already did that.

We still send and receive birthday cards - always use a 1st class stamp.  Anything else looks so cheapskate, like sending a Tesco Value card.

Haven't sent a personal letter in yonks, doubt I ever will again but it's not the price of a stamp that's the issue. The world has moved on and everyone I know now uses some form of electronic communication.

QuoteAs seven people awaited deportation to Rwanda in June of 2022, the ECHR intervened and issued injunctions stopping the migrants' removal and pausing the controversial policy.

Link

One will recall that the EU also has its own Rwanda-style policies - link

Quote from: papasmurf on October 05, 2024, 08:47:04 PMNo, I a merely puzzled as to why you seem to imply there is some sinister plot by the ONS.

I said no such thing.

Quote from: Borg Refinery on October 05, 2024, 08:35:42 PMNo one here has conflated either one, maybe some do elsewhere, but then leaving one without the other means the Brexit agenda will be foiled. . . .

Surely the 'Brexit agenda' was taking back control over immigration and product legislation and of course getting back that money we sent the EU.

Don't need to leave the ECnHR to get that.

Quote from: Nick on October 05, 2024, 09:01:53 PMWrong again, it was where he was talking about not trusting foreign courts.
Never mentioned ECHR.

The full post of his you quoted was

Quote from: Barry on October 05, 2024, 02:54:48 PMI'm all for leaving the ECHR, but there's not a chance of getting that through parliament, with these goons in charge of the country.

Foreign courts do not act in the interests of our country.

If that's not mentioning the ECHR what is?

Quote from: Borg Refinery on October 05, 2024, 09:03:48 PMUnfettered Neoliberalism

Which matches the EU objectives. Almost as if there was a greater hand in play.