Quote from: Nick on October 05, 2024, 04:03:01 PMYou're that desperate to argue everything people post that you don't read it. I never mentioned ECHR.

No you mentioned 'EU Court' which is irrelevant to the ECnHR that Boris is calling a referendum about.  And the judgement body for the ECnHR is the ECtHR.

So you're wrong, I did read it

Quote from: Borg Refinery on October 05, 2024, 03:49:07 PMThere's no proof there would be total devastation if the ECHR was left, people said the same with Brexit - it had some knock-on effects but Bojo's Brexit saga in 2019 did not precipitate a complete crisis as many predicted.

These things are usually scaremongering pushed by political parties to make the masses believe what they are saying.

That's because Boris was shown the facts and realised if he was going to deliver his election promise of leaving pronto he had to do a deal and quicker.  Which he did, hence the TCA.  But the TCA requires us to adhere to the ECnHR.

I can seriously see a future where Boris rejoins politics, joins Reform and either gets made head of the party or shadow deputy PM (assuming they become the opposition, at least in pollsters' views if not in parliament) - and Farage and he storm to victory.

It seems increasingly clear that's more or less what people want, it's probably the case they are collectively going to be more popular than Labour if the current trajectory stays unaltered

We do not know what would have happened had they stayed the course.

It's possible she would have enacted a Milei type agenda, which some say has worked well and others are completely against, it's not what I'd rather do but to say she crashed the economy as many did is counter-factual and that's the point the article in OP makes quite well.

I don't usually post Institute of Economic Affairs thinktank pieces, which is what it is, but they do have a point here and I will defend those I disagree with when they are right

Well the 'open door' policy of 2000 really did open the floodgates, but the system has been in perpetual crisis since 1992. I wish I could find that link, but I'm struggling, it was years ago I read it - it had graphs.

It's not one administation's fault, it has been successive governments that have struggled to control it, in many cases (especially from extremely war ravaged countries like Bosnia in the 1990s) there were people in genuine dire need of help - but it is also true that more screening is needed for potential terrorists in today's sad age where that sort of thing is necessary.

And yes, because of course it would be more effective to process them in the first safe country they land in, rather than waiting til they get to Britain. Other countries should share responsibility.

What's needed is a worldwide coordinated system to process refugees, countries like Lebanon which has the most refugees in the entire world cannot cope. And nor can little countries like Britain. The little countries are the ones suffering the most, in America the problem is acute too but for smaller countries, the problem threatens to completely overwhelm them.

I know, none of this is likely but it is the only way to properly solve the problem the globe-over.

The added problem comes from Russia and Belarus weaponizing migrant flows

https://apnews.com/article/poland-belarus-migrants-russia-ukraine-59d6050c2ea6853de3154150e8c9dcb5

The migrants are being made angry by the Belarusians, they want them to riot and kill Polish border guards.

Things really aren't as they seem in many of the political crises going on around the world right now

Quote from: Unlucky4Sum on October 05, 2024, 03:02:05 PMThe EU Court is not the relevant court for ECnHR cases

You're that desperate to argue everything people post that you don't read it. I never mentioned ECHR. 

When I saw these figures were being published in the press, I thought it was to try to slight the pre 2010 administration, but it is pretty clear that the bulk of the ineptitude in this sphere is down to Tories, who were effectively in control for the last 14 years.

I can see Starmer being a one-term PM and Farage being PM in the not-too-distant future if this trend continues.

A different poll from BMG Research concludes similarly: link

QuoteNearly half (48 per cent) of voters said they have a worse opinion of Labour since the party won July's election with a landslide 174-majority, with just a fifth (20 per cent) saying it had improved and a quarter (24 per cent) saying it had not changed.

While the decline in opinion does follow party lines, nearly a third (31 per cent) of those who voted for Labour say their opinion is worse, the BMG Research survey for i suggested.

Meantime, Reform UK are surging in popularity, it's not hard to see why: Link

There's no proof there would be total devastation if the ECHR was left, people said the same with Brexit - it had some knock-on effects but Bojo's Brexit saga in 2019 did not precipitate a complete crisis as many predicted.

These things are usually scaremongering pushed by political parties to make the masses believe what they are saying.