Artificial-Intelligence

[johnofgwent]

Just wondering why you would go for an interview with a company that you deemed a misfortune and that you wouldn't trust to boil an egg?



Sounds an act of desperation to me!

As with many interview scenarios ...



I obviously did my homework on what the job was supposed to be and the things the client said ...



It wasnt until I got there, that I realised the serious discrepancy between the clients hype and the reality.



My opinion of them now was formed there after witnessing the sheer lies and skullduggery at the interview.

[Nick]

So, back on the topic then ...



Yes, there are a number of AI solutions being touted by software houses hoping to rope in councils.



I had the misfortune to be interviewed for a DBA job at one a year or two back.



I wouldn't trust their system to boil an egg.

Just wondering why you would go for an interview with a company that you deemed a misfortune and that you wouldn't trust to boil an egg?



Sounds an act of desperation to me!

[Nick]

Love this - Predictive policing programmes are already being used to identify crime "hotspots" and make individual risk assessments – where police use algorithms to determine the likelihood of someone committing a crime.



I expect Tom Cruise is at the cop shop waving data around with those gloves as we speak....



Then there's this -



In October 2019, the Graun reported that one in three local councils were using algorithms to make welfare decisions. Local authorities have bought machine learning packages from companies including Experian, TransUnion, Capita and Peter Thiel's data-mining biz Palantir – which has its fans in the US public sector – to support a cost-cutting drive.



These algorithms have already caused cock-ups. North Tyneside council was forced to drop TransUnion, whose system it used to check housing and council tax benefit claims, when welfare payments to an unknown number of people were delayed thanks to the computer's "predictive analytics" wrongly classifying low-risk claims as high risk.



The report stopped short of recommending an independent AI regulator. Instead it said: "All regulators must adapt to the challenges that AI poses to their specific sectors."



https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2020/02/12/ai_public_life_report/">https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2020/ ... fe_report/">https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2020/02/12/ai_public_life_report/

Think someone is getting algorithms mixed up with AI.

An algorithm is just a preset routine for solving a certain problem, where as AI learns by its mistakes and finds the solution to problem by its self.



As a rule algorithm's use an open loop system whereby they don't have much knowledge of the events they put in place, as per your example above. Algorithms will simply keep making the same mistakes. On the other hand AI operates on a closed loop system whereby it is fed back the results of its decisions and changes them based on the results.



2 totally different animals.

[papasmurf]

So, back on the topic then ...



Yes, there are a number of AI solutions being touted by software houses hoping to rope in councils.



I had the misfortune to be interviewed for a DBA job at one a year or two back.



I wouldn't trust their system to boil an egg.

I thought there was a legal challenge to councils using such systems. (It was tried by the DWP back in 2008, and dropped by the Tories in 2010 because there were far too many false positives.)

[johnofgwent]

So, back on the topic then ...



Yes, there are a number of AI solutions being touted by software houses hoping to rope in councils.



I had the misfortune to be interviewed for a DBA job at one a year or two back.



I wouldn't trust their system to boil an egg.

[Borg Refinery]

I corrected it as I assumed you meant artificial, but will change it back if you want. Can't quite work out which you want!

Sorry :: I don't mind, whichever you prefer. I know some people don't like looking at off-speeling and it drives them up the wall.

[Bright Young Thing]

Hehe it was meant to be spelt that way, but it's nice of someone to edit it in any case. (not being sarc)

I corrected it as I assumed you meant artificial, but will change it back if you want. Can't quite work out which you want!

[Borg Refinery]

Hehe it was meant to be spelt that way, but it's nice of someone to edit it in any case. (not being sarc)

[papasmurf]

I presume the thread header should read Artificial-Intelligence as artifice means clever or cunning devices or expedients, especially as used to trick or deceive others.

(Mind you that makes sense as well.)

[Borg Refinery]

A new report from the Committee for Standards in Public life has criticised the UK government's stance on transparency in AI governance and called for ethics to be "embedded" in the frameworks.



The 74-page treatise noted that algorithms are currently being used or developed in healthcare, policing, welfare, social care and immigration. Despite this, the government doesn't publish any centralised audit on the extent of AI use across central government or the wider public sector.



Most of what is in the public realm at present is thanks to journalists and academics making Freedom of Information requests or rifling through the bins of public procurement data, rather than public bodies taking the proactive step of releasing information about how they use AI.



The committee said the public should have access to the "information about the evidence, assumptions and principles on which policy decisions have been made".

Love this - Predictive policing programmes are already being used to identify crime "hotspots" and make individual risk assessments – where police use algorithms to determine the likelihood of someone committing a crime.



I expect Tom Cruise is at the cop shop waving data around with those gloves as we speak....



Then there's this -



In October 2019, the Graun reported that one in three local councils were using algorithms to make welfare decisions. Local authorities have bought machine learning packages from companies including Experian, TransUnion, Capita and Peter Thiel's data-mining biz Palantir – which has its fans in the US public sector – to support a cost-cutting drive.



These algorithms have already caused cock-ups. North Tyneside council was forced to drop TransUnion, whose system it used to check housing and council tax benefit claims, when welfare payments to an unknown number of people were delayed thanks to the computer's "predictive analytics" wrongly classifying low-risk claims as high risk.



The report stopped short of recommending an independent AI regulator. Instead it said: "All regulators must adapt to the challenges that AI poses to their specific sectors."



https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2020/02/12/ai_public_life_report/">https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2020/ ... fe_report/">https://www.theregister.co.uk/AMP/2020/02/12/ai_public_life_report/