BJ doesn't budge

[Good old]

I suggest you do some research on Cummings. He is far too dangerous to be let near government, any government.

Cameron was a bad judge when it came to letting dubious people near him, Bojo The Clown is even worse.

One could think this is a case of , " keeping your enemy where you can see him."  Unless you see that so far Boris, Appears to be a mere puppet  in the hand of an unelected  master of those around him.

[T00ts]

The thread should be retitled "T00ts doesn't Budge".  

Any more than anyone else does!   ::  ::  :hattip

[Borg Refinery]

The thread should be retitled "T00ts doesn't Budge".  

[papasmurf]

Well believe on. Naive to you might be just very open minded to another. I am getting quite used to not agreeing with the masses.  :hattip

I suggest you do some research on Cummings. He is far too dangerous to be let near government, any government.

Cameron was a bad judge when it came to letting dubious people near him, Bojo The Clown is even worse.

[T00ts]

Frankly Toots you are starting to look like a "bot," posting from Tory HQ. I cannot believe that anyone can be so naive.

Well believe on. Naive to you might be just very open minded to another. I am getting quite used to not agreeing with the masses.  :hattip

[papasmurf]

I can't see that it matters to me. I am grateful that Leave won and that Conservatives won the last election. I tend to think that no one man was responsible in total for that, otherwise I might be in favour of a dictatorship.     I don't buy the spiel that Cummings runs the show. I am fairly certain he has been given a job to do and is seen as someone who will do it against all the intimidation and bad press that others can conjure up. It's a job that needs doing for years, it just needed someone with the courage to do it. So what if BJ needed a rottweiler? We have had too many appeasers and people in a nice comfortable rut in Whitehall for long enough.

Frankly Toots you are starting to look like a "bot," posting from Tory HQ. I cannot believe that anyone can be so naive.

[Borg Refinery]

I can't see that it matters to me. I am grateful that Leave won and that Conservatives won the last election. I tend to think that no one man was responsible in total for that, otherwise I might be in favour of a dictatorship.     I don't buy the spiel that Cummings runs the show. I am fairly certain he has been given a job to do and is seen as someone who will do it against all the intimidation and bad press that others can conjure up. It's a job that needs doing for years, it just needed someone with the courage to do it. So what if BJ needed a rottweiler? We have had too many appeasers and people in a nice comfortable rut in Whitehall for long enough.

The cure for awful civil servants isn't the guy who swaggered through samara airport in the 90s blind drunk on wodka; the guy who is likely to be a GRU asset.



 :-P



I agree about terrible civil servants though, but that's been a constant since...forever hasn't it? Dom almost makes them look competent.

[T00ts]

Yes, but can you point to anything that he has created, rather than the things that he has broken up?



We see this a lot in business as well - the right person to destroy or break something up, is rarely the correct person to be the one to create the new way of doing things because it is a different skill set.



I guess he understands how to get people to vote for something in an election, but that seems like it's different to understanding what they actually want in the long term.

I can't see that it matters to me. I am grateful that Leave won and that Conservatives won the last election. I tend to think that no one man was responsible in total for that, otherwise I might be in favour of a dictatorship.     I don't buy the spiel that Cummings runs the show. I am fairly certain he has been given a job to do and is seen as someone who will do it against all the intimidation and bad press that others can conjure up. It's a job that needs doing for years, it just needed someone with the courage to do it. So what if BJ needed a rottweiler? We have had too many appeasers and people in a nice comfortable rut in Whitehall for long enough.

[Javert]

I have equally read articles which describe him as feared by the Left and Lib elite simply because he understands the working man while they don't. They can't stand him because they are so scared of him. So who do we believe?  Unless we know the man personally I think we can safely trust that everything we read has a slant to persuade and cajole their readers. One thing that is true is that he has proved by the leave vote and  GE that they have good reason to fear. I quite like to make my own mind up as you may have noticed.

Yes, but can you point to anything that he has created, rather than the things that he has broken up?



We see this a lot in business as well - the right person to destroy or break something up, is rarely the correct person to be the one to create the new way of doing things because it is a different skill set.



I guess he understands how to get people to vote for something in an election, but that seems like it's different to understanding what they actually want in the long term.

[T00ts]

I wouldn't believe a word of this type of reports, but, even if true it would be not surprising that Cummings it not remotely interested in fixing the void that he created.



He has always been a wrecker - an expert at breaking things that he has decided are not perfect, but when it comes to the long, complex, and arduous work of putting something else in their place, it's not his problem.



This is actually part of the mistake that Johnson is making - thinking that someone who is good at winning elections by getting people riled up that xyz institution has problems, and therefore should be destroyed, might not be the right adviser for actually running the country.



The best description I saw was in a news paper article yesterday - think it might have been the Times or Spectator even.



To paraphrase, Cummings is the type of person who, if he decided that the light bulb in his house was not lighting up the room in quite the right way he wanted, his response would be to turn his house, and the entire world, upside down to twist the light bulb out.



Any country or government that goes down the path of smashing all its institutions up because they are not perfect, is very likely to regret it later because history shows that whatever replaces them will also be imperfect, and probably worse.

I have equally read articles which describe him as feared by the Left and Lib elite simply because he understands the working man while they don't. They can't stand him because they are so scared of him. So who do we believe?  Unless we know the man personally I think we can safely trust that everything we read has a slant to persuade and cajole their readers. One thing that is true is that he has proved by the leave vote and  GE that they have good reason to fear. I quite like to make my own mind up as you may have noticed.

[Javert]

The latest I have heard is that Cummings views himself as redundant once Brexit happens at the end of the New Year and he has sorted out the Civil Service. He will walk in his own good time.

I wouldn't believe a word of this type of reports, but, even if true it would be not surprising that Cummings it not remotely interested in fixing the void that he created.



He has always been a wrecker - an expert at breaking things that he has decided are not perfect, but when it comes to the long, complex, and arduous work of putting something else in their place, it's not his problem.



This is actually part of the mistake that Johnson is making - thinking that someone who is good at winning elections by getting people riled up that xyz institution has problems, and therefore should be destroyed, might not be the right adviser for actually running the country.



The best description I saw was in a news paper article yesterday - think it might have been the Times or Spectator even.



To paraphrase, Cummings is the type of person who, if he decided that the light bulb in his house was not lighting up the room in quite the right way he wanted, his response would be to turn his house, and the entire world, upside down to twist the light bulb out.



Any country or government that goes down the path of smashing all its institutions up because they are not perfect, is very likely to regret it later because history shows that whatever replaces them will also be imperfect, and probably worse.

[papasmurf]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/30/tory-poll-lead-collapses-as-voters-say-cummings-should-go">//https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/30/tory-poll-lead-collapses-as-voters-say-cummings-should-go



Wow. The Cummings factor is still a big deal. Some serious poll drops for Johnsons and his Tory party. Even worse figures than last week. Keep this up and soon Blarite Labour will be more popular than the Brexit drama queen.  ::

Another Tory scandal brewing:-



More at link:-



https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-minister-unlawful-housing-deal-richard-desmond_uk_5ecce88fc5b648af37581f14">https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... af37581f14">https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-minister-unlawful-housing-deal-richard-desmond_uk_5ecce88fc5b648af37581f14



27/05/2020 20:05 BST



Call For Police To Investigate Housing Secretary Over £30m Planning Favour For Tory Donor Richard Desmond

Robert Jenrick's "biased" decision over Isle of Dogs development would have robbed cash-strapped council of between £30m and £50m.



Housing secretary Robert Jenrick has admitted "unlawfully" signing off a 1,500-home development by Conservative Party donor Richard Desmond – in a move that would have saved the billionaire publishing tycoon some £40m.



Labour peer Lord Andrew Adonis has called for the Metropolitan Police to look into the matter, and the Conservative Party leader in Tower Hamlets has resigned from the party altogether because it looks "very suspicious".

[B0ycey]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/30/tory-poll-lead-collapses-as-voters-say-cummings-should-go">//https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/30/tory-poll-lead-collapses-as-voters-say-cummings-should-go



Wow. The Cummings factor is still a big deal. Some serious poll drops for Johnsons and his Tory party. Even worse figures than last week. Keep this up and soon Blarite Labour will be more popular than the Brexit drama queen.  ::

[Thomas]

Very odd, it works for me.. ok I'll try c&p'ing some of it.

Written by alex massie.



Alex massie is one of the biggest shysters , regularly laughed at , in the world of political hacks.



He is nothing more than another one of the glib echochamber of status quo group thinking pals in the punditariat who despise the idea of either scottish independence or brexit.



Here he is back in 2017 lecturing us about having the wrong people in charge , and of course he has long hated brexiters and opposed johnson getting elected as tory leader.



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Anti brexiter pro eu unionist scottish hack writes scathing article about boris johnson. ( again)



Are you actually trying to pass this off as news?



Up next....alex massie hates snp in news shocker. ::

[Borg Refinery]

That is paywalled.

Very odd, it works for me.. ok I'll try c&p'ing some of it.

So treating the media with contempt is one thing but treating the public with an equal measure of lofty scorn is quite another. This, mystifyingly, is now the government's preferred course of action. And this leads to some truly risible positions. Thus, Michael Gove tells LBC radio that, why, yes of course he too has hopped in his car to test his eyesight as though this was a perfectly normal thing to do and the only surprise, really, is that some people don't think this entirely reasonable behaviour. The spectacle of intelligent people deliberately peddling nonsense is often aggravating but it's rarely as enraging as it is now.



We now enjoy a situation in which the Prime Minister's approval ratings appear to be correlated with his appearances in public. The more often he is seen, the lower his ratings go. That is both intolerable and unsustainable. Yesterday's appearance before the House of Commons liaison committee once again revealed a prime minister painfully out of his depth.



That was bad enough but the situation was made worse by Johnson's obvious impatience with the idea he appear before the committee at all. 'The trouble is' he whined, 'it does take a huge amount of sherpa time, of preparation time'. Well, one can see why and how this might inconvenience the Prime Minister while also holding to the view that if the Prime Minister believes it's a bore to be asked questions about his own government's policies then perhaps he might rethink his desire to be prime minister. Such scrutiny, however tiresome it may be, has generally been considered part of the job.



The Prime Minister's defenders argue he cannot function without Dominic Cummings. Perhaps this is the case but it is not obvious he can function with him either. I do not, in truth, know if this is a Black Wednesday or Poll Tax moment for this government but the mere fact those comparisons are now being made is another data point supporting the proposition that Johnson's government is in deep trouble.



No matter how sympathetic one might be to the difficulties of government during an emergency there is now little opportunity to evade the fact that this government's handling of the crisis has not been impressive. That is partly a matter of policy failure – for which blame can be shared by any number of actors – and partly a failure of communications, for which responsibility begins at the very top.



Public confidence in the government is not the same as liking the government. It is possible to dislike a government while thinking it broadly competent. I have every sympathy for the predicament in which Mr Cummings found himself and I suspect many voters might, had they faced a comparable situation, have liked to behave as he did. But many voters did face similar problems and they did not act as he did. They stayed at home because that is what the government had told them to do. No defence of Mr Cummings can defeat this obvious truth. From which it follows that even if the country one day agrees to 'move on' it will not forget. And nor, frankly, should it.



Alex Massie

WRITTEN BY

Alex Massie

Alex Massie is Scotland Editor of The Spectator.