Labour MP Keith Vaz faces six-month suspension

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Churchill

Yes Vaz was wide open to blackmail , others in high places have fallen foul of honeytraps over the years
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Sheepy

I know a few of us have a little smirk,but this is very serious,when people in these higher positions of power,are off their nut constantly,including being a security risk for everyone.
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

Churchill

If you say so, whatever it is you are trying to say :-?
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papasmurf

Quote from: Churchill post_id=5344 time=1573487543 user_id=69
If what you say or publish is true accurate and provable very little chance of being sued, its when its not that there is a possibilty but a very slim one IMO, the plaintiff would have to convince a Court to hear it if not justified it would not happen


There are matters from the 1980s that need a thorough investigation. What that would or would not reveal is not for me to speculate.
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Churchill

If what you say or publish is true accurate and provable very little chance of being sued, its when its not that there is a possibilty but a very slim one IMO, the plaintiff would have to convince a Court to hear it if not justified it would not happen
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papasmurf

Quote from: Churchill post_id=5308 time=1573474497 user_id=69
he has skated on very thin ice on several occasions during his time in office,


and before his time in office, but I will let the gutter press make comments about it, I don't wish to get sued.
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Churchill

He was not charged with anything in relation to the offering to buy cocaine for the party not even arrested as far as I am aware, however the internal Parliamentary Standard investigation considered his behaviour warranted his suspension, Vaz decided to step down because of his suspension and possibly ill health.
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Ciaphas

Quote from: Churchill post_id=5308 time=1573474497 user_id=69
No idea if they did or not on this occasion , he has skated on very thin ice on several occasions during his time in office, re the latest complaint regarding the male prostitutes and cocaine allegation the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards did, their recommendation was that he be suspended from the House of 6 months


In the absence of a conviction for intent to supply there are likely limits to the punishment that can be implimented.

Churchill

No idea if they did or not on this occasion , he has skated on very thin ice on several occasions during his time in office, re the latest complaint regarding the male prostitutes and cocaine allegation the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards did, their recommendation was that he be suspended from the House of 6 months
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Ciaphas


Churchill

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papasmurf

Update:-



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50369905">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50369905



General election 2019: Labour's Keith Vaz will not stand for re-election

10 November 2019
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Major Sinic

Quote from: Ciaphas post_id=4450 time=1573112019 user_id=75
The extension letter was signed 'Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland'. Tell me, who is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland?



It was a childish move on the part of Mr Johnson but evidently had the intended effect of convincing individuals such as yourself that he hadn't broken his promise that we'd be leaving on the 31st October.



Mr Johnson was very clear on the issue of a Northern Ireland backstop being unnacceptable but he agreed to one anyway in order to secure a deal. This is just one of many clips where he stated this (https://youtu.be/Gla0bzMsoIo">https://youtu.be/Gla0bzMsoIo).



The transition period ends December 2020. Unless Boris can secure a majority made up of MP's who will blindly sign off on the trade deal irrespective of its content I expect he'll have trouble passing it.



Furthermore as evidenced by the neccessity of the Northern Ireland backstop the Good Friday Agreement can only be protected if either Northern Ireland or the wider UK remain closely aligned with the EU. Given that the government doesn't want to remain aligned with the EU that means he has little choice but to leave Northern Ireland in some version of the Customs Union and Single Market.



That's all assuming they manage to secure a very complex trade deal within a little over a year given they usually take around a year and a half undet good circumstances. The UK will he bitterly divided over these trade deals and the concessions required.


A great deal of opinion here  but not a lot of fact or support for your assertions.



Briefly BoJo did not sign the Surrender Act letter. A signature, in correspondence terms, is usually regarded as a unique hand written image of the signatory's name, not a job title in a standard font produced on a laser printer.



Childish or otherwise it made the point of the contempt he had for the dirty tricks behaviour of the undemocratic Remain opposition; a stance agreed with by many.



I repeat there is not a border in the Irish sea nor will there be one unless the usual suspects manage to sabotage an equitable trade deal.



BoJo in case you hadn't noticed and despite the mockery and disbelief of his Remain or left wing opponents sucessully reopened the WA and renegotiated an agreement which removed the N.I. backstop; a deal which was passed by parliament on its second reading. I think that any trade deal negotiated by BoJo will, in the light of his brexit deal, be equitable.



It will of course be voted against even if the EU agrees to give the UK all the manna in heaven to the Revoke Article 50 brigade.

This of course assumes that the UK will have the wisdom to vote for the Tories and avoid an economic catastrophe equal to or worse than the one overseen by Militant Labour in the late seventies when Callaghan's administration bankrupted the name and the IMF had to effectively taken over management of the UK.

Ciaphas

Quote from: "Major Sinic" post_id=4430 time=1573082531 user_id=84
No of course he shouldn't not least because there is no border in the Irish Sea and there will not be one if trade negotiations succeed.



He was prevented by an undemocratic parliament using every dirty trick in the book to prevent the UK leaving on the 31st October, despite the fact that he succeeded in reopening the WA agreement and securing an equitable deal with the EU.



He did not request an extension; he sent the letter required under the Surrender Act unsigned with the implication it was from the UK Parliament, and sent his own signed letter expressing the wish that no extension should be granted.



Perhaps if you could get your facts a little straighter you would be marginally more credible. Here is a link to help you from a media source I suspect youu find credible!



https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/the-irish-sea-border-what-does-it-mean-for-businesses-brexit">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ses-brexit">https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/the-irish-sea-border-what-does-it-mean-for-businesses-brexit


The extension letter was signed 'Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland'. Tell me, who is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland?



It was a childish move on the part of Mr Johnson but evidently had the intended effect of convincing individuals such as yourself that he hadn't broken his promise that we'd be leaving on the 31st October.



Mr Johnson was very clear on the issue of a Northern Ireland backstop being unnacceptable but he agreed to one anyway in order to secure a deal. This is just one of many clips where he stated this (https://youtu.be/Gla0bzMsoIo">https://youtu.be/Gla0bzMsoIo).



The transition period ends December 2020. Unless Boris can secure a majority made up of MP's who will blindly sign off on the trade deal irrespective of its content I expect he'll have trouble passing it.



Furthermore as evidenced by the neccessity of the Northern Ireland backstop the Good Friday Agreement can only be protected if either Northern Ireland or the wider UK remain closely aligned with the EU. Given that the government doesn't want to remain aligned with the EU that means he has little choice but to leave Northern Ireland in some version of the Customs Union and Single Market.



That's all assuming they manage to secure a very complex trade deal within a little over a year given they usually take around a year and a half undet good circumstances. The UK will he bitterly divided over these trade deals and the concessions required.

Major Sinic

Quote from: papasmurf post_id=3864 time=1572873620 user_id=89
Neither do I, despite what some rabid Tories on internet forums assume.


So says a rabid old supporter of the Labour Party, as evidenced by the vast majority of his posts. He just doesn't have the integrity to admit it.