Is transparency over-rated?

[Barry]

Transparency is overrated, you never get to see it.

Ah, yes, I see what you did there!  :hattip

[Borg Refinery]

Transparency is overrated, you never get to see it.

[Borg Refinery]

well I wasn't fishing for compliments  

Well I take it back then - useless mod, 0/10, would not recommend to a friend.



 :-P

[cromwell]

From what I've observed, this place is moderation-free and can descend into a real bear-pit at a moment's notice.  :-P



..but you are a good mod anyway.

well I wasn't fishing for compliments  

[Borg Refinery]

Yes you get to an age where people say you did or said something you didn't,you're a liberal or a nazi perhaps both,a cross between paddy ashdown and adolf    you're old so definitely  not a full shilling and some think a crap mod to boot.



Definitely not feeling sorry for myself and at one time any of the above might've bothered me.......now I don't give a rats bottom,I'm philosophical about it  ::

From what I've observed, this place is moderation-free and can descend into a real bear-pit at a moment's notice.  :-P



..but you are a good mod anyway.

[B0ycey]

Because we are still avoiding the really big spreading settings like packed pubs, sporting events, festivals, restaurants etc it's unlikely the R value will push back to the levels of early march when it was around 3 and we were doubling cases every 3 days.



It's more likely we will get a long sustained rise, rather than a big sharp one.  Doubling every fortnight or something.  More of a rising tide than a wave.



Some will chant "see no second wave!" but if it keeps up long enough the NHS will be overwhelmed nonetheless.



We always want to keep the R value below 1.  The lower the daily/weekly count the closer to 1 we can tolerate but it's very easy to slide backwards is R > 1 and is so we need to tighten up the restrictions.  The problem is will the government be able to?

All easing of lockdown measures are to mitigate risk and to maintain the R0 below one. Pubs will not open if there is a risk of the R0 going above 1 and the government has said it will reverse measures if needs be as well. And when the pubs do open up they will have to execute social distancing measures to protect their clients. Besides, the UK is behind Europe now. And if there is a second wave they would most likely see it before us simply because there is little immunity in Europe and they are ahead of us in terms of loosening the lockdown.

[Borg Refinery]

from your own reference.



Science (from the Latin word scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.



from your definition



"Political science is a social study concerning the allocation and transfer of power in decision making, the roles and systems of governance including governments and international organizations, political behavior and public policies"





My view is that "political scientists" are the political equivalent of snake oil salesmen, stealing  the very real hard work and ingenuity of those whose shoulders I stood on to see what I did, and those who in turn have stood on mine as i take my place in that pyramid and usurping it to give respectability to their bullshit.

(shrugs)



Maybe you are thinking of random uni intellectuals, but you know Plato is included as a 'political scientist' too.



What professiin do you view as being the most 'authentic' in politics?

[BeElBeeBub]

Indeed. The information was meant to scare so was incomplete. And now the government will find it impossible to rectify that mistake. We still have mothers worried about their children going to school when 3 under 15s who had underlining conditions have died. And Papa still thinks we are weeks away from a much bigger second wave because those of low risk went to the f**king beach.



What a cluster**ck.

Because we are still avoiding the really big spreading settings like packed pubs, sporting events, festivals, restaurants etc it's unlikely the R value will push back to the levels of early march when it was around 3 and we were doubling cases every 3 days.



It's more likely we will get a long sustained rise, rather than a big sharp one.  Doubling every fortnight or something.  More of a rising tide than a wave.



Some will chant "see no second wave!" but if it keeps up long enough the NHS will be overwhelmed nonetheless.



We always want to keep the R value below 1.  The lower the daily/weekly count the closer to 1 we can tolerate but it's very easy to slide backwards is R > 1 and is so we need to tighten up the restrictions.  The problem is will the government be able to?

[cromwell]

You also don't see any use whatever in philosophy.

Yes you get to an age where people say you did or said something you didn't,you're a liberal or a nazi perhaps both,a cross between paddy ashdown and adolf    you're old so definitely  not a full shilling and some think a crap mod to boot.



Definitely not feeling sorry for myself and at one time any of the above might've bothered me.......now I don't give a rats bottom,I'm philosophical about it  ::

[johnofgwent]

If you say so, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science#:~:text=Overview,political%20behavior%20and%20public%20policies">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic ... 20policies">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science#:~:text=Overview,political%20behavior%20and%20public%20policies.



I don't see what's 'not scientific' about that, maybe you mean it isn't in practice? But in theory of course it should be..

from your own reference.



Science (from the Latin word scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.



from your definition



"Political science is a social study concerning the allocation and transfer of power in decision making, the roles and systems of governance including governments and international organizations, political behavior and public policies"





My view is that "political scientists" are the political equivalent of snake oil salesmen, stealing  the very real hard work and ingenuity of those whose shoulders I stood on to see what I did, and those who in turn have stood on mine as i take my place in that pyramid and usurping it to give respectability to their bullshit.

[B0ycey]

Has the lock down really achieved what they wanted? Are we really any better off?

I question whether we are better off and perhaps we are significantly worse off depending on what your personal situation is. But the lockdowns objective was to flatten the curve and it certainly achieved that. The problem the government has was in regards to their communication as they have managed to blur the lines from saving lives by not over loading the health system to saving everyones life regardless. And now people are complaining that we are moving too quickly because they didn't understand why we went into lockdown to begin with.

[B0ycey]

I think the problem is the information is incomplete

Indeed. The information was meant to scare so was incomplete. And now the government will find it impossible to rectify that mistake. We still have mothers worried about their children going to school when 3 under 15s who had underlining conditions have died. And Papa still thinks we are weeks away from a much bigger second wave because those of low risk went to the fucking beach.



What a clusterfuck.

[papasmurf]

You also don't see any use whatever in philosophy.

No practical use whatsoever.

[Borg Refinery]

There is nothing scientific about social science either.

You also don't see any use whatever in philosophy.

[papasmurf]

No



There is nothing scientific about "political science"

There is nothing scientific about social science either.