Next Labour leader?

[Churchill]

If Corbyn is kicked into touch by his party which has been on the cards for quite some time , who do you think should take over from him?

[johnofgwent]

Did you see him the other day being interviewed by andrew neil cromwell?



Obviously it was all about stopping brexit . Neil said to him you only want another referendum because you lost the first.



He then said why cant there be a general election to try and sort things out?



Blair then went on to bleat about the unfairness of FPTP and how a party on a minority of the vote could command a large majority and get hard brexit through the commons.



Cheeky barsteward , exactly what he did in 2005 when he won a 66 seat majority on 35% of the actual vote and even less of the total electorate.



Now bleating about the very system he used to his advantage. What a brass kneck that barsteward has.

Well, yes, and I agree but he hardly invented that idea. Major for example, who prorogued parliament to prevent the release of a rather damaging report on envelope trousering in his ranks, but who is first to whinge when BoJo tried the same to reduce the opportunities the wreckers have to derail the 2016 referendum result and stay in.

[Churchill]

As when and if Corbyn mans up and backs a GE then we will find out if Labour is as unpopular as I and others think they are, my prediction is they will be soundly beaten in the next GE which may well happen in December or January at the latest

[Baron von Lotsov]

I hope they fade into oblivion at the next General Election , we need a complete change new party's with new ideas and courage to stand up for the UK

I think they are pretty secure myself. One thing I have observed is that if you were a socialist when you were young, like teenager, and you went on the marches and all of that and flew the flags and got involved and so on, then for the rest of your life, your deepest views will forever be socialist. Labour only have to tickle you and you will be right back in line. The same goes for a lot of things, e.g. joining the army when you were younger will always make you a certain person, as would a state employee vs say a self-employed tradesman. It's a good way to spot a fake in fact, like say you have a Tory who was once Labour as an MP, well psychologically you still have a Labour MP. Labour might come under a different name in the future, but the support will not diminish for a long time, if at all.

[Streetwalker]

Well I quite like the cut of this chaps gib

[Thomas]

I'd be the first to celebrate, but I have my doubts that first past the post in geographic constituencies will ever truly deliver what a universally suffraged population demands of its elected representatives

Well once we take our constituencies out of the undemocratic disunited kingdom , england and whatever else is left can then set about using the time to bring about a new dawn in politics in your country.



For my part , not only do i want the disgracefull fptp abolished in scotland , but i also want a properly written and codified constitution that limits the power of politicians and prevents much of the skullduggery we see every election in your mother of all anti democratic parliaments.



You will never get perfection in any political system , but im confident both your country and mine can drag ourselves out of the political banana republic gutter that the anachronistic feudal affront to democracy that is called westminster has had us mired in for centuries.

[johnofgwent]

The old days of labour tory tennis at westminster are long gone

I'd be the first to celebrate, but I have my doubts that first past the post in geographic constituencies will ever truly deliver what a universally suffraged population demands of its elected representatives

[T00ts]

well said borkie , but unfortunately i think he will last no longer than the next general election. Still as streetwalker says who cares about labour?



The old days of labour tory tennis at westminster are long gone .

Maybe but I am worried it could turn into mixed doubles.

[Thomas]

All this is true. But Wurzel is without doubt the worst of a very poor field and one of the main props of the Tory government. Whatever cockups the Conservatives manage, there will always be the thought that old bacon bonce will be worse.



So the question should not be who will be the next Labour party leader, but how we can keep Corbyn in post.

well said borkie , but unfortunately i think he will last no longer than the next general election. Still as streetwalker says who cares about labour?



The old days of labour tory tennis at westminster are long gone .

[Borchester]

It doesn't matter who is labour party leader .Even a bright young leader would represent little other than putting lipstick  on a corpse .They are no longer and haven't been for many years the party of the working class . Even given moderate Labours economic record the support has even tailed off from the Blairite sect



 The UK  has no place for a party that represents nobody but themselves

All this is true. But Wurzel is without doubt the worst of a very poor field and one of the main props of the Tory government. Whatever cockups the Conservatives manage, there will always be the thought that old bacon bonce will be worse.



So the question should not be who will be the next Labour party leader, but how we can keep Corbyn in post.

[Churchill]

He has been asked many questions during his leadership he never gives a direct answer to a direct question, Corbyn is dancing to McDonnell's tune he is the driving force not Corbyn, McDonnell a self confessed Marxist of long standing will do his legs when it is to his advantage, if he ever gets into No 10 all hell will break lose back to the 70's.

[Cassie]

I agree Labour have a leader with a very suspect past , and nobody with the qualities in the wings to take over when Corbyn is finally shuffles off to his allotment to mutter to his rhubarb "  I could have been a contender Comrade" :-x

It's still beyond me how he's not questioned enough about it in the media and how people would still vote for him.

[Churchill]

I agree Labour have a leader with a very suspect past , and nobody with the qualities in the wings to take over when Corbyn is finally shuffles off to his allotment to mutter to his rhubarb "  I could have been a contender Comrade" :-x

[Major Sinic]

I think you are agreeing with me. Women have been overlooked in the past because they are women. I'm all for having women leaders if they are the best person for the job.

No dispute from me! I thought Margaret Thatcher had the qualities to be an outstanding leader and used them to be one. Equally I think that Theresa May was an altogether nicer person, honest, sincere, reflective but she lacked the toughness, charisma and ability to create confidence that Thatcher had.



I struggle to think of any of the current crop of Labour MPs, man or woman who is 'qualified' to lead; certainly not Abbot, Thornbury, Rayner or Long-Bailey.

[Major Sinic]

I think that is what the problem is they have one eye on the ball and one on the mirror, instead of listening to the people and dealing with the nations problems to try and come up with long term solutions that will work for years to come not just the next GE.



Then they come and talk to us making promises shaking hands because they want to keep their seats on the gravy train for another 5 years, and hopefully a peerage at the end of it

Well should we ever finally leave the eu the work then needs to begin on an overhaul of our domestic political system along with a written constitution.



They really need to appreciate who they work for.

I couldn't agree more. Following Brexit the first piece of legislation to be repealed should be the Fixed Term Parliament Act.



Although a Tory and therefore a supporter of the next government (I hope) under First Past The Post, FPTP is an undemocratic and massively flawed electoral system. This is evidenced by the substantially excessive disproportional representation both the SNP and DUP have in the Westminster Parliament. We desperately need Proportional Representation.



We then need to reform the H of L, halving the size and limiting the maximum age,and making it entirely elected. While showing no disrespect to the Church of England, it should be disestablished and all Bishops removed. In much the same way that I consider involving the law in parliament was a massive mistake and potentially undemocratic and even dictatorial, I believe that granting representatives of what nationally is a minority faith influence in our Upper Chamber is both largely irrelevant and undemocratic.



Referendums should become constitutionally binding on parliament until implemented, although I can see a case for making it more decisive than a straight majority, perhaps a minimum of 55% as a minimum vote or change.