Coronavirus: PM says Britain must 'build, build, build'

[Javert]

I was always a fan of the Beeb,they lost their way though but not always at fault......whoever was in no 10 always claimed of bias against them.
I think and independent broadcaster free from advertisers is essential,clearly that's not a view shared by many.

I tend to agree and I think that those who want to get rid of the BBC should be careful what they wish for. 

The two contentious parts are how it is funded, and if it's a public service broadcaster that it somehow funded by the taxpayer, how does it maintain editorial independence.

From what I often see, there are roughly the same number of people complaining that the BBC are "right wing puppets of the government" versus the number of people complaining that they are all lefty communists, so that seems to indicate that whilst they don't always get it right, they are not consistently and massively biased.

I think specifically at the moment, what I often see is the BBC reporting the statements the government has made as if they are facts.  Simply prefacing it with "The government says..." or "The government claims...." would already be an improvement, especially in these modern times when even a lot of the government's own supporters admit that most of what they say is lies.

[Good old]

The BBC is now no more than a mouth piece if dealing with members of the ruling party. That's pretty clear. Whether that applies to their way of dealing with opposition parties, remains to be seen. As their interviewers now seem to accept any statement thrown out ,without serious question. Will that approach be taken across the board?

That's certainly an alternative view — most criticism seems to be the BBC espouses anti-British, anti-English, anti-White, Left Wing views...

That must have been when the organization had something resembling a mind of its own. There has never been a time when the Beeb, was not thought to be bias ,by any  part of the political spectrum. In my opinion ,"  I realize that's all it is",. Because it always displayed an opinion .Like it or loath it.  In the last ten years there has been a non stop onslaught from the Tory media ,on behalf of the government ,to stop the BBC journalists from being anything other than readers of a prepared statement. In other words silenced. No opinion allowed, in particular if that opinion rubbishes the Downing Street version.
The BBC can only , not be accused of being biased if it displays no opinion of any sort to any subject. That seems to be where  it has got to. So march on Rupert Murdoch, and the rest of the Mega, media, magnets. The field is yours.

[Borchester]

The BBC is now no more than a mouth piece if dealing with members of the ruling party. That's pretty clear. Whether that applies to their way of dealing with opposition parties, remains to be seen. As their interviewers now seem to accept any statement thrown out ,without serious question. Will that approach be taken across the board?

That's certainly an alternative view — most criticism seems to be the BBC espouses anti-British, anti-English, anti-White, Left Wing views...

I reckon that pretty well sums up the Brussels Broadcasting Company. It is not so much that it ignores the opinions of its white, non lefty, British viewers so much as that it does not appear to know that such people exist.

Not to worry. Cancel the licence fee and folk will still be happy to take out subscriptions to be patronised by Auntie.

[patman post]

The BBC is now no more than a mouth piece if dealing with members of the ruling party. That's pretty clear. Whether that applies to their way of dealing with opposition parties, remains to be seen. As their interviewers now seem to accept any statement thrown out ,without serious question. Will that approach be taken across the board?

That's certainly an alternative view — most criticism seems to be the BBC espouses anti-British, anti-English, anti-White, Left Wing views...

[Good old]

 

The BBC is now no more than a mouth piece if dealing with members of the ruling party. That's pretty clear. Whether that applies to their way of dealing with opposition parties, remains to be seen. As their interviewers now seem to accept any statement thrown out ,without serious question. Will that approach be taken across the board?

[cromwell]

Probably we need to wait for detailed analysis of what, if anything, is new here.

From what I've heard so far.

- Yesterday the PM announced a schools rebuilding program which is almost identical to one which was cancelled by Michael Gove 10 years ago, and which mainly won't even start until after the next election.

- Today he announces a lot of "new" projects, but when you drill into the detail, almost all of it is what was already in the Conservative manifesto and previous announcements, and actually some of what he claimed as new spending are actually cuts in the current parliament compared to what was already announced last year as they are spreading it over a longer time going into the next parliament.

The surprising part is that supposedly impartial news outlets like the BBC loyally report this as if it's new spending and only mention that it isn't on the deeper analysis shows that most people don't watch.

Good heavens Javert.

Are you suggesting the British Broadcasting Corporation is bending the truth to fit its agenda ?

(Its agenda now being FFS make Boris Look Good or he will end the licence fee ...)

The BBC is not questioning what is true, it's accepting obvious lies, because if they don't they are going to be accused of bias. It's agenda is to survive as a broadcaster ,and that is under threat if they dare criticize the government that controls their ability to raise funds.  The BBC has had its teeth pulled, and it's balls removed.

I was always a fan of the Beeb,they lost their way though but not always at fault......whoever was in no 10 always claimed of bias against them.
I think and independent broadcaster free from advertisers is essential,clearly that's not a view shared by many.

[Javert]

Good heavens Javert.

Are you suggesting the British Broadcasting Corporation is bending the truth to fit its agenda ?

(Its agenda now being FFS make Boris Look Good or he will end the licence fee ...)

Not exactly - the BBC are actually reporting this information on their pages and programs, but it's not in the "2 minutes top of the hour" type thing that the majority of people will only look at.

I'm not suggesting it's a deliberate attempt to back up the government and I suspect some of it is just bad journalism rather than something that's a conspiracy.

It's also pretty clear that the overton window or whatever it's called has moved massively in recent years especially since the Brexit vote.  In the past, going back a decade or two or three, politicians might have been a bit slippery, but there were certain lines - for example they all agreed that you should not tell direct lies to parliament, and if you were caught out you should apologise.  There was general agreement that you should address major issues with an actual plan to do something about it rather than just denying that the issue even exists.

We are now in the times when politicians openly lie directly to camera or to parliament, without any apparent consequence.  I know some people claim it's always been like that, but I don't think so - I think it's actually got much more brazen.

This is partly because of the Brexit division where anyone who dares to disagree with the government on any topic can be branded "probably a remainer or a communist or trying to stop Brexit" or suchlike.  Meanwhile, the government's growing list of incompetencies seems to be ignored by the public, but, it remains to be seen whether when Brexit is completed the public will continue to give a free pass on their negligence.

[Good old]

Probably we need to wait for detailed analysis of what, if anything, is new here.

From what I've heard so far.

- Yesterday the PM announced a schools rebuilding program which is almost identical to one which was cancelled by Michael Gove 10 years ago, and which mainly won't even start until after the next election.

- Today he announces a lot of "new" projects, but when you drill into the detail, almost all of it is what was already in the Conservative manifesto and previous announcements, and actually some of what he claimed as new spending are actually cuts in the current parliament compared to what was already announced last year as they are spreading it over a longer time going into the next parliament.

The surprising part is that supposedly impartial news outlets like the BBC loyally report this as if it's new spending and only mention that it isn't on the deeper analysis shows that most people don't watch.

Good heavens Javert.

Are you suggesting the British Broadcasting Corporation is bending the truth to fit its agenda ?

(Its agenda now being FFS make Boris Look Good or he will end the licence fee ...)

The BBC is not questioning what is true, it's accepting obvious lies, because if they don't they are going to be accused of bias. It's agenda is to survive as a broadcaster ,and that is under threat if they dare criticize the government that controls their ability to raise funds.  The BBC has had its teeth pulled, and it's balls removed.

[johnofgwent]

Probably we need to wait for detailed analysis of what, if anything, is new here.

From what I've heard so far.

- Yesterday the PM announced a schools rebuilding program which is almost identical to one which was cancelled by Michael Gove 10 years ago, and which mainly won't even start until after the next election.

- Today he announces a lot of "new" projects, but when you drill into the detail, almost all of it is what was already in the Conservative manifesto and previous announcements, and actually some of what he claimed as new spending are actually cuts in the current parliament compared to what was already announced last year as they are spreading it over a longer time going into the next parliament.

The surprising part is that supposedly impartial news outlets like the BBC loyally report this as if it's new spending and only mention that it isn't on the deeper analysis shows that most people don't watch.

Good heavens Javert.

Are you suggesting the British Broadcasting Corporation is bending the truth to fit its agenda ?

(Its agenda now being FFS make Boris Look Good or he will end the licence fee ...)

[Javert]

Probably we need to wait for detailed analysis of what, if anything, is new here.

From what I've heard so far.

- Yesterday the PM announced a schools rebuilding program which is almost identical to one which was cancelled by Michael Gove 10 years ago, and which mainly won't even start until after the next election.

- Today he announces a lot of "new" projects, but when you drill into the detail, almost all of it is what was already in the Conservative manifesto and previous announcements, and actually some of what he claimed as new spending are actually cuts in the current parliament compared to what was already announced last year as they are spreading it over a longer time going into the next parliament.

The surprising part is that supposedly impartial news outlets like the BBC loyally report this as if it's new spending and only mention that it isn't on the deeper analysis shows that most people don't watch.

[papasmurf]

A lot of waffle and no substance.

[GBNews]

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