Rejoice our new tariff schedule is out!

[Borchester]

<t>You mean we are spending £33 billion on the divorce and we only get to save 0.5p?

This is scandalous. We must rejoin the EU immediately so we can continue to pay more billions into the completely unnecessary extra layers of government.

Jean Claude Juncker must be kept in gin. On expenses of course so tariffs mean nothing to him.</t>

[BeElBeeBub]

The EU won't give the UK access to its markets and services unless the UK  agrees to play by the accompanying rules and submit itself to the legal framework which governs it. They aren't going to put themselves in a situation where the UK can dump its standards and flood the EU market with goods produced under conditions that aren't permitted within the EU

Why not? They allow China to do that.

China faces tariffs.  The EU even tried to impose anti dumping tariffs (which the UK blocked).

What the UK wants is the freedom from regulation like China, with the zero tariffs of a member state.  A very different proposition.

[Mashup]

The EU won't give the UK access to its markets and services unless the UK  agrees to play by the accompanying rules and submit itself to the legal framework which governs it. They aren't going to put themselves in a situation where the UK can dump its standards and flood the EU market with goods produced under conditions that aren't permitted within the EU

Why not? They allow China to do that.

Any of the below sound familiar? Level playing field perhaps?

In 2016 the EU adopted a new strategy on China mapping out the European Union's relationship with China for the next five years. The strategy promotes reciprocity, a level playing field and fair competition across all areas of co-operation.

The EU also wants to tackle overcapacity and elsewhere on the website it discusses what it's doing to tackle trade dumping so again they aren't just leaving the door wide open to cheap Chinese exports.

The strategy also includes a trade agenda with a strong focus on improving market access opportunities – including negotiations on a Comprehensive Agreement on Investment. It also deals with overcapacity and calls on China to engage with ambition at multilateral level.

https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/china/index_en.htm

Furthermore the UK is literally on the EU's border, as a former member already has extensive trade links to EU member states, and there many supply chains run back and forth between the and mainland Europe.

[Barry]

The EU won't give the UK access to its markets and services unless the UK  agrees to play by the accompanying rules and submit itself to the legal framework which governs it. They aren't going to put themselves in a situation where the UK can dump its standards and flood the EU market with goods produced under conditions that aren't permitted within the EU

Why not? They allow China to do that.

[Mashup]

The fear of the EU was that once the UK was out and free from the level playing field it would take off.
Not to mention the sense of bereavement and lack of control from Brussels HQ.
Now that all economies have been disrupted by an invisible microbe, all bets are off.

That was never their concern.

The EU won't give the UK access to its markets and services unless the UK  agrees to play by the accompanying rules and submit itself to the legal framework which governs it. They aren't going to put themselves in a situation where the UK can dump its standards and flood the EU market with goods produced under conditions that aren't permitted within the EU

It's no different to refusing to allow a sportsperson to participate in an event because they refuse to agree to the events rules and any doping tests.

Covid-19 hasn't changed anything in that regard.

[Barry]

The fear of the EU was that once the UK was out and free from the level playing field it would take off.
Not to mention the sense of bereavement and lack of control from Brussels HQ.
Now that all economies have been disrupted by an invisible microbe, all bets are off.

[Mashup]

Add on the cost of additional customs checks and increased logistical costs and we'll be lucky to break even. Tarrifs are a red herring intended to distract from other trade barriers the UK will be facing.

The UK might be looking it's customs checks but the EU isn't and they also apply to goods leaving the EU. The cost will.be passed onto the UK consumer.

[B0ycey]

Thanks for the validations.

Baff. I remember you. Still flying the Brexit flag I see. Welcome.

[cromwell]

Nice to see you mate.

Thanks for the validations.

Likewise  

[Baff]

Nice to seee you mate.

Thanks for the validations.

[cromwell]

In my appraisal...

Cars.



Cars from the EU will be more expensive unless a trade deal is made.

Expect one.



Cars from Japan and South Korea will be the same or less because a trade deal has been made.

South African BMW's wiil be cheaper because a trade deal has been madw.

Cars from America will likely be cheaper because a trade deal will likely be made.

Same for Mexico and Canada.



India might make a deal, China proabably won't.



If those trade barriers do not drop, car manufacturers will switch production to the UK to beat the tarifs. The car market here is too big to ignore.

Which is a win for UK jobs if nothing else.





In general prices are expected to drop as long your shopping habits chamge to reflect where the cheaper goods can now be bought.

For most people this will be dealt with by supermarket buyers.



Those who simply must have EU goods will be paying more for them directly, but less for them indirectly through tax.

Eventually some kind of trade deal will be signed with the EU that will drop tariffs on many of it's products although that could easily be a few years away fom now.

Hello Baff,long time no see. :hattip

[Baff]

In my appraisal...

Cars.



Cars from the EU will be more expensive unless a trade deal is made.

Expect one.



Cars from Japan and South Korea will be the same or less because a trade deal has been made.

South African BMW's wiil be cheaper because a trade deal has been madw.

Cars from America will likely be cheaper because a trade deal will likely be made.

Same for Mexico and Canada.



India might make a deal, China proabably won't.



If those trade barriers do not drop, car manufacturers will switch production to the UK to beat the tarifs. The car market here is too big to ignore.

Which is a win for UK jobs if nothing else.





In general prices are expected to drop as long your shopping habits chamge to reflect where the cheaper goods can now be bought.

For most people this will be dealt with by supermarket buyers.



Those who simply must have EU goods will be paying more for them directly, but less for them indirectly through tax.

Eventually some kind of trade deal will be signed with the EU that will drop tariffs on many of it's products although that could easily be a few years away fom now.

[cromwell]

What do you see as wrong with the EU?

Bigger bubble than westminster,common market good idea...the political project worst ever.

[Borg Refinery]

Thing is I see as many things wrong with the eu (you and beebly probably don't) as westminster,trying to reform the eu impossible IMO westminster hard but not impossible.

What do you see as wrong with the EU?

Voting changes,lords reform,accountability,burst the westminster bubble for starters.

👍

[Borg Refinery]

I'm curious as to what these changes should be, and what your confidence level is that any of them will happen (EU or no EU) in, let's say, the next 10 years?

Europhiles tend to be their own harshest critics in my experience, the EU often is its own harshest critic too. They're much more critical than anti-EU folk; of their own institution; the difference is that their criticisms are very much legitimate. In what other organisation would you get the president and the top commissioners openly poking holes in the way things are run? Or a whole EU commission being forced to resign to drive out corruption?(!)



That's why they're constantly seeking to reform themselves and change the way they do things, I know they get a lot wrong, but they've made large improvements too.



Anyway, this all gets completely ignored and dismissed. And we get criticisms of the EU that don't stick.



IMHO the way this C19 crisis has been handled has been a pretty bad mark on the EU, that's a legitimate criticism and not one that will just go away...