Benefits claimants face landlord discrimination despite ruling

[Thomas]

This is quite correct. Yet the Labour Party that pursued Tory policies unchanged whilst in office and built so few council houses was the Blairite New Labour shite. I was never a party member at the time and voted against it at the ballot box. I abhor such New Labour Thatcherite sell outs. Labour was indeed complicit under the Blairites which is another reason why we on the true left have such disdain for them. And it was the true left that cheer led your abolition of right to buy in Scotland. Yet you cannot recognise the difference between Labour left and Blairites - seeing us as one and the same - and would laughably have me believe that you struggle with feelings of disgust at the way I think about them. The left opposes the Blairites precisely because we oppose such things as Thatcherite housing policies. I know you struggle with our internal dynamics, but do try and keep up.

There you go again. Selective amnsesia , and the simple world of the labour left as the good guys , the labour right , the blairites , as the bad.

No mention of labour and how they behaved prior to 1997 in scotland , because it doesnt suit your simplistic narrative , and no mention of how the labour left , under corbyns right hand man and handpicked henchman , richard leonard , have behaved thse past number of years.

A typical example of the old labour praetorian white men guards in scotland would be the likes of george galloway . No one could ever accuse the likes of galloway ( and many others ) of being blairite , yet he is an example of the old labour guard in scotland ( others i remeber like adams in paisley , mcmaster ,etc etc) of whom i utterly detest and  their unionist corrupt anti scottish politics.

When galloway was a labour mp , he was no stranger to tarring the snp as anti english , racist , extremist etc etc , while calling on people to support groups like the PLO , IRA etc etc in their fight for freedom. ( no freedom for you jocks , know your place ).

The rot had long set in for labour for many in scotland log before tony blair took the helm , yet your simplsitic narrative cant deal with that fact , and only wishes to lump all the blame at blairs feet to the ignorance of everything else.

The labour party stitch up in the 1979 devolution referendum , the days of the feeble fifty , the feeble 49 getting elected in scotland on 38% of the scottish vote , etc etc , all storming off to westminster with barely a glance back to scotland until they next came north like a collection of snakes selling fantasy to the gullible on their forked tongues.

All ignored by you as ever.

I detest labour with every fibre of my being , and at every opportunity i am going to put the boot into labour wethr they are blairites cobynite or whatever faction is in control of that despicable party.

You might have a short term selective memory srb , the scottish and english people dont.

[Sheepy]

Major complaints seem to be landlords no longer receiving rent direct and letting agents finding it costly and time consuming to reclaim rent form local councils.

Quite.

The problem with DHS tenants is that they get into rent arrears. If the money is paid direct to the landlords then they don't, but it ain't and they do.

Years ago when I was a slum landlord a nice lady from the local Housing department would ring me up and try to get me to rent my property to God's walking wounded, She was a nice lady and once she really lost it and torn into me, whereupon I replied that she was probably quite right right and that I was shit in an iron bucket, but that did not change the fact that she could not guarantee that my rent would be in the bank at the end of the month and that until she could her clients would have to look elsewhere for accommodation.

Things have probably changed a bit, but in my experience government departments and agencies tend to take forever to pay up.

I never hear them say, if said Tenant leaves you a debt we will cover it upto say 20 grand. Knowing full well they will not manage in the first place and they will be dipping into the rent at some point. So I take your point why should you be responsible and end up in debt for others misfortune.

[papasmurf]

The problem with DHS tenants

Is they have not existed for nearly two decades. 

[Borchester]

Major complaints seem to be landlords no longer receiving rent direct and letting agents finding it costly and time consuming to reclaim rent form local councils.

Quite.

The problem with DHS tenants is that they get into rent arrears. If the money is paid direct to the landlords then they don't, but it ain't and they do.

Years ago when I was a slum landlord a nice lady from the local Housing department would ring me up and try to get me to rent my property to God's walking wounded, She was a nice lady and once she really lost it and torn into me, whereupon I replied that she was probably quite right right and that I was shit in an iron bucket, but that did not change the fact that she could not guarantee that my rent would be in the bank at the end of the month and that until she could her clients would have to look elsewhere for accommodation.

Things have probably changed a bit, but in my experience government departments and agencies tend to take forever to pay up.

[Sheepy]

By the way  , labour dont get off the hook on this matter. They are up to their armpits and complicit with the conservatives. If i remember correct , thatcher and majoirt built far more council houses once upon a time than blair and brown ever did , and when the scot government abolished right to buy , labour were among the most vocal cheerleaders in opposition.

This is quite correct. Yet the Labour Party that pursued Tory policies unchanged whilst in office and built so few council houses was the Blairite New Labour shite. I was never a party member at the time and voted against it at the ballot box. I abhor such New Labour Thatcherite sell outs. Labour was indeed complicit under the Blairites which is another reason why we on the true left have such disdain for them. And it was the true left that cheer led your abolition of right to buy in Scotland. Yet you cannot recognise the difference between Labour left and Blairites - seeing us as one and the same - and would laughably have me believe that you struggle with feelings of disgust at the way I think about them. The left opposes the Blairites precisely because we oppose such things as Thatcherite housing policies. I know you struggle with our internal dynamics, but do try and keep up.

But don't you know the history of Labour in Scotland?

He's not wrong to find them so disdainful - they were ruthless unionists - we're talking Old Labour here.

Do you not see why he has a problem with them?

We are English, it is very different for us - and I say this as a guy who voted Corbyn but wasn't totally impressed by his other party picks, who I felt really let the side down.

I can understand that. But the Blairites became dominant in Scotland too as many of the Old Labour progressives switched over to the SNP aside from avid unionist at all cost types. But that he allows any such history to blind him to the vast differences between the true left and the Blairites appears to be a major blind spot with him. He struggles not to see us all as one and the same.

I myself was not even a Labour party member during the New Labour years and voted against it at the ballot box. To equate me with them because I am Labour now would be risible. Likewise his apparent counter-strategy borne of incomprehension of actually attacking me for being so mean to Blairites. Lmfao.

Okay but you do know even Corbyn's indyref policy was majorly flip floppy?

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-wont-grant-scottish-independence-referendum-in-early-years-of-labour-government

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50397033

Hard to put any trust in a fella who does that.

Plus, let's face it..in Scotland the SNP are very competent.

I still like Corbyn, even donated to his legal fund but he didn't manage that very well.

I don't doubt the SNP's competence in Scotland. They are not popular there for nothing. I think Sturgeon is a good leader.

As for Corbyn re Scotland, he is a unionist at heart and thinks in terms of Britain rather than of it's constituent parts. Yet he also believes totally in democracy and of respecting the democratic will. This has left him torn on Scotland. Add to that his desire not to run too foul of the media on this issue. Labour was severely damaged in 2015 with talk of a Scottish tail wagging and English dog. The Tories won a majority off the back of this claim.

Corbyn was trying to reconcile two irreconcilables. Appealing to a united Britain including England and it's media, and respecting the will of the Scottish people whilst recognising the possible need to work with the SNP in a hung parliament.

He did not resolve these contradictions well but rather than viewing your links as contradictions they should be viewed in their true light as a shift in position. If every genuine shift in position were viewed as duplicity we'd get nowhere.

I actually admire your political meanderings, you have many things right about the Labour party and its failings, but if you think for a minute the Westminster party will be allowing you to be an SNP copy, it will never happen. The SNP are Nationalist at heart whereas the Labour party are Internationalist and basically their base was just useful when they were thick enough not to understand, the last real Labour party were just after WW2 since then it has been the slow but sure downhill slope.

[srb7677]

By the way  , labour dont get off the hook on this matter. They are up to their armpits and complicit with the conservatives. If i remember correct , thatcher and majoirt built far more council houses once upon a time than blair and brown ever did , and when the scot government abolished right to buy , labour were among the most vocal cheerleaders in opposition.

This is quite correct. Yet the Labour Party that pursued Tory policies unchanged whilst in office and built so few council houses was the Blairite New Labour shite. I was never a party member at the time and voted against it at the ballot box. I abhor such New Labour Thatcherite sell outs. Labour was indeed complicit under the Blairites which is another reason why we on the true left have such disdain for them. And it was the true left that cheer led your abolition of right to buy in Scotland. Yet you cannot recognise the difference between Labour left and Blairites - seeing us as one and the same - and would laughably have me believe that you struggle with feelings of disgust at the way I think about them. The left opposes the Blairites precisely because we oppose such things as Thatcherite housing policies. I know you struggle with our internal dynamics, but do try and keep up.

But don't you know the history of Labour in Scotland?

He's not wrong to find them so disdainful - they were ruthless unionists - we're talking Old Labour here.

Do you not see why he has a problem with them?

We are English, it is very different for us - and I say this as a guy who voted Corbyn but wasn't totally impressed by his other party picks, who I felt really let the side down.

I can understand that. But the Blairites became dominant in Scotland too as many of the Old Labour progressives switched over to the SNP aside from avid unionist at all cost types. But that he allows any such history to blind him to the vast differences between the true left and the Blairites appears to be a major blind spot with him. He struggles not to see us all as one and the same.

I myself was not even a Labour party member during the New Labour years and voted against it at the ballot box. To equate me with them because I am Labour now would be risible. Likewise his apparent counter-strategy borne of incomprehension of actually attacking me for being so mean to Blairites. Lmfao.

Okay but you do know even Corbyn's indyref policy was majorly flip floppy?

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-wont-grant-scottish-independence-referendum-in-early-years-of-labour-government

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50397033

Hard to put any trust in a fella who does that.

Plus, let's face it..in Scotland the SNP are very competent.

I still like Corbyn, even donated to his legal fund but he didn't manage that very well.

I don't doubt the SNP's competence in Scotland. They are not popular there for nothing. I think Sturgeon is a good leader.

As for Corbyn re Scotland, he is a unionist at heart and thinks in terms of Britain rather than of it's constituent parts. Yet he also believes totally in democracy and of respecting the democratic will. This has left him torn on Scotland. Add to that his desire not to run too foul of the media on this issue. Labour was severely damaged in 2015 with talk of a Scottish tail wagging and English dog. The Tories won a majority off the back of this claim.

Corbyn was trying to reconcile two irreconcilables. Appealing to a united Britain including England and it's media, and respecting the will of the Scottish people whilst recognising the possible need to work with the SNP in a hung parliament.

He did not resolve these contradictions well but rather than viewing your links as contradictions they should be viewed in their true light as a shift in position. If every genuine shift in position were viewed as duplicity we'd get nowhere.

[Borg Refinery]

By the way  , labour dont get off the hook on this matter. They are up to their armpits and complicit with the conservatives. If i remember correct , thatcher and majoirt built far more council houses once upon a time than blair and brown ever did , and when the scot government abolished right to buy , labour were among the most vocal cheerleaders in opposition.

This is quite correct. Yet the Labour Party that pursued Tory policies unchanged whilst in office and built so few council houses was the Blairite New Labour shite. I was never a party member at the time and voted against it at the ballot box. I abhor such New Labour Thatcherite sell outs. Labour was indeed complicit under the Blairites which is another reason why we on the true left have such disdain for them. And it was the true left that cheer led your abolition of right to buy in Scotland. Yet you cannot recognise the difference between Labour left and Blairites - seeing us as one and the same - and would laughably have me believe that you struggle with feelings of disgust at the way I think about them. The left opposes the Blairites precisely because we oppose such things as Thatcherite housing policies. I know you struggle with our internal dynamics, but do try and keep up.

But don't you know the history of Labour in Scotland?

He's not wrong to find them so disdainful - they were ruthless unionists - we're talking Old Labour here.

Do you not see why he has a problem with them?

We are English, it is very different for us - and I say this as a guy who voted Corbyn but wasn't totally impressed by his other party picks, who I felt really let the side down.

I can understand that. But the Blairites became dominant in Scotland too as many of the Old Labour progressives switched over to the SNP aside from avid unionist at all cost types. But that he allows any such history to blind him to the vast differences between the true left and the Blairites appears to be a major blind spot with him. He struggles not to see us all as one and the same.

I myself was not even a Labour party member during the New Labour years and voted against it at the ballot box. To equate me with them because I am Labour now would be risible. Likewise his apparent counter-strategy borne of incomprehension of actually attacking me for being so mean to Blairites. Lmfao.

Okay but you do know even Corbyn's indyref policy was majorly flip floppy?

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-wont-grant-scottish-independence-referendum-in-early-years-of-labour-government

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50397033

Hard to put any trust in a fella who does that.

Plus, let's face it..in Scotland the SNP are very competent.

I still like Corbyn, even donated to his legal fund but he didn't manage that very well.

[srb7677]

By the way  , labour dont get off the hook on this matter. They are up to their armpits and complicit with the conservatives. If i remember correct , thatcher and majoirt built far more council houses once upon a time than blair and brown ever did , and when the scot government abolished right to buy , labour were among the most vocal cheerleaders in opposition.

This is quite correct. Yet the Labour Party that pursued Tory policies unchanged whilst in office and built so few council houses was the Blairite New Labour shite. I was never a party member at the time and voted against it at the ballot box. I abhor such New Labour Thatcherite sell outs. Labour was indeed complicit under the Blairites which is another reason why we on the true left have such disdain for them. And it was the true left that cheer led your abolition of right to buy in Scotland. Yet you cannot recognise the difference between Labour left and Blairites - seeing us as one and the same - and would laughably have me believe that you struggle with feelings of disgust at the way I think about them. The left opposes the Blairites precisely because we oppose such things as Thatcherite housing policies. I know you struggle with our internal dynamics, but do try and keep up.

But don't you know the history of Labour in Scotland?

He's not wrong to find them so disdainful - they were ruthless unionists - we're talking Old Labour here.

Do you not see why he has a problem with them?

We are English, it is very different for us - and I say this as a guy who voted Corbyn but wasn't totally impressed by his other party picks, who I felt really let the side down.

I can understand that. But the Blairites became dominant in Scotland too as many of the Old Labour progressives switched over to the SNP aside from avid unionist at all cost types. But that he allows any such history to blind him to the vast differences between the true left and the Blairites appears to be a major blind spot with him. He struggles not to see us all as one and the same.

I myself was not even a Labour party member during the New Labour years and voted against it at the ballot box. To equate me with them because I am Labour now would be risible. Likewise his apparent counter-strategy, borne of incomprehension, of actually attacking me for being so mean to Blairites. Lmfao.

He totally doesn't even seem to begin to get why we on the Labour left are so hostile to Blairites. He appears to know very little about our internal history.

[Borg Refinery]

By the way  , labour dont get off the hook on this matter. They are up to their armpits and complicit with the conservatives. If i remember correct , thatcher and majoirt built far more council houses once upon a time than blair and brown ever did , and when the scot government abolished right to buy , labour were among the most vocal cheerleaders in opposition.

This is quite correct. Yet the Labour Party that pursued Tory policies unchanged whilst in office and built so few council houses was the Blairite New Labour shite. I was never a party member at the time and voted against it at the ballot box. I abhor such New Labour Thatcherite sell outs. Labour was indeed complicit under the Blairites which is another reason why we on the true left have such disdain for them. And it was the true left that cheer led your abolition of right to buy in Scotland. Yet you cannot recognise the difference between Labour left and Blairites - seeing us as one and the same - and would laughably have me believe that you struggle with feelings of disgust at the way I think about them. The left opposes the Blairites precisely because we oppose such things as Thatcherite housing policies. I know you struggle with our internal dynamics, but do try and keep up.

But don't you know the history of Labour in Scotland?

He's not wrong to find them so disdainful - they were ruthless unionists - we're talking Old Labour here.

Do you not see why he has a problem with them?

We are English, it is very different for us - and I say this as a guy who voted Corbyn but wasn't totally impressed by his other party picks, who I felt really let the side down.

[srb7677]

By the way  , labour dont get off the hook on this matter. They are up to their armpits and complicit with the conservatives. If i remember correct , thatcher and majoirt built far more council houses once upon a time than blair and brown ever did , and when the scot government abolished right to buy , labour were among the most vocal cheerleaders in opposition.

This is quite correct. Yet the Labour Party that pursued Tory policies unchanged whilst in office and built so few council houses was the Blairite New Labour shite. I was never a party member at the time and voted against it at the ballot box. I abhor such New Labour Thatcherite sell outs. Labour was indeed complicit under the Blairites which is another reason why we on the true left have such disdain for them. And it was the true left that cheer led your abolition of right to buy in Scotland. Yet you cannot recognise the difference between Labour left and Blairites - seeing us as one and the same - and would laughably have me believe that you struggle with feelings of disgust at the way I think about them. The left opposes the Blairites precisely because we oppose such things as Thatcherite housing policies. I know you struggle with our internal dynamics, but do try and keep up.

[Streetwalker]

Ah the warning has come up that Thomas was lurking and it seems I have covered the same point . Interesting the bit about dodgy /incompetent councils . Nothings changed there then .

spot on. Any can't that has ever dealt with a council in terms of doing work for them knows how much of a bureaucratic nightmare they are to deal with along with being extremely bad payers.

Which is why I wouldn't go anywhere near council work  even though the Mrs is at this very moment upstairs (working from home ) handing out the work .

[Thomas]

I hope you've been well by the way Thomas.

And you dyno , good to see you back.

When i get the chance i will pop back on and post later.

[Thomas]

Ah the warning has come up that Thomas was lurking and it seems I have covered the same point . Interesting the bit about dodgy /incompetent councils . Nothings changed there then .

spot on. Any cant that has ever dealt with a council in terms of doing work for them knows how much of a bureaucratic nightmare they are to deal with along with being extremely bad payers.

[Borg Refinery]

All good information.

I see Scotland intro'd rent pressure zones. How are they working out? Very tired here so not able to search stuff out. I think we need something akin to that here in addition to more council stock.

Re Labour support, I agree they have never done enough whilst in power - and under Old & New Labour they did the opposite of their manifesto. IIRC Harold Wilson actually made quite large cuts to the state despite his rhetoric to the opposite - That seems crystal clear - IIRC and I've no idea whether or not it would have happened - Corbo wanted to intro rent controls and build more council stock.

I hope you've been well by the way Thomas.

[Streetwalker]

Years ago , or maybe not so many the DHSS would pay the landlord direct . This actually made those on the social preferred tenants as the rent was more or less guaranteed to be paid .
The housing part of the social is now paid along with everything else to the tenant which runs the risk of non payment and the hassle of chasing the rent and even the drawn out eviction process .

Going back to the old system of paying the landlord direct may solve the perceived inequality issue

Ah the warning has come up that Thomas was lurking and it seems I have covered the same point . Interesting the bit about dodgy /incompetent councils . Nothings changed there then .