Exit poll gives Tory massive win

[johnofgwent]

Anyone pleased with the Tory win have visited upon everyone what I believe will be an irreversible lurch into a socio-economic morass from which the nation will not escape.  The conservative media propaganda and position paradigm has been so moved to the right that there is probably no recovery for England in the cards.  I hope Scotland and Ireland save themselves and go their own way, preserving some empathy for their fellow citizens. Wales cannot unfortunately go it alone, so I am sorry for you. Irish politics will now inevitably more closer and closer to full re-unification in the future. The EU economic system and the lack of any sense of socio-economic justice from the new English government will force their hands.  I guess in a sense that most members of what used to be called the united kingdom will ultimately experience long-term benefit while the mother ship will go down.



The fundamental problem is that you cannot force disparate cultures into the same socio-economic lockstep system and politically control them centrally anymore unless you use force or threat of force. The EU sees that now in spades, having tried and failed to frighten voters into remaining, but the "British" government still consciously chooses to ignore these facts.  Too many people see the economic injustice and will not play ball, but unfortunately, not being adequately informed about their oppressors, and having little assist from mass media, they predictably choose the worser of the two evils, (they being neo-liberalism or hard core conservatism.)  For anyone who doesn't see which "worser" they chose, it is the later.  



I hope that the voters who chose this socio-economic suicide will not suffer too much, I really do.  However, I feel more sadness for the poor, ill, dis-empowered and underprivileged. I cannot see how they will ever recover hope and incrementally build a decent life for themselves and their children in an era of evermore unemployment made worse by the unlikelihood of any assistance from the more fortunate. My causal assessment of this incredibly bad outcome for England is that the voters had become unalterably cynical, (because of the policies of the same people they elected and by the failure to reform the politico-economic system by the opposition parties.) The voters had despaired of ever having a reasonably fair society, so they pulled the plug on everyone. Everyone that is except the small wealthy privileged minority who deny you anything which might cause them to pay a modicum of taxes or be inconvenienced in their endeavors.

Hmm.



Where to start...



I have watched this country lurch into  minority - driven  left leaning morass where every single value my grandfather found worth building the radar to defeat the nazis with, every freedom for which my father weaponized the Avro Vulcan using an IBM computer the size of three office desks intended to be a sewing machine makers accounts system (I always wondered why he cringed when napoleon solo and illya kuryakin entered a tailor's to fight crime) and every iota of our country's identity that I helped prepare battlefield tactical nukes and their delivery system to protect from Russian and east German invasion were tossed away.



The shithole this country has  become thanks to Blair and the liberal elite is not worth defending, and the fact Labour now rejoice that they still have London just shows how little that metrosexual metropolis actually has in common with the rest of Great Britain.



I did not vote for Boris because his candidate in my constituency was appointed on the say so of a corrupt nepotist who took a bribe from the tory party to switch sides in the Welsh assembly, having been elected on a party ticket, kicking the whole principle of the d'Hondt PR system in the nadgers and getting away with it, who lost no time in taking over the local constituency tory party, putting his wife on the selection panel and assuring his daughter selection as the 2015 and 2017 candidate ...



I voted for the Brexit Party



And the Labour bitch who won on dec 12 won in 2017 on a promise to respect the 2016 referendum and immediately set about doing everything but, to the highest degree possible.



I rejoice at the cull of the labour party, I rejoice even more at the removal of the head of the party that calls itself liberal democrat but shows itself as anything but.



I look forward to the dismantling of the mechanisms the liberal elite have abused to overthrow the voice of the people.



Retribution is coming and it is glorious to behold

[Borchester]

:roll:

Anyone pleased with the Tory win have visited upon everyone what I believe will be an irreversible lurch into a socio-economic morass from which the nation will not escape.  The conservative media propaganda and position paradigm has been so moved to the right that there is probably no recovery for England in the cards.  I hope Scotland and Ireland save themselves and go their own way, preserving some empathy for their fellow citizens. Wales cannot unfortunately go it alone, so I am sorry for you. Irish politics will now inevitably more closer and closer to full re-unification in the future. The EU economic system and the lack of any sense of socio-economic justice from the new English government will force their hands.  I guess in a sense that most members of what used to be called the united kingdom will ultimately experience long-term benefit while the mother ship will go down.



The fundamental problem is that you cannot force disparate cultures into the same socio-economic lockstep system and politically control them centrally anymore unless you use force or threat of force. The EU sees that now in spades, having tried and failed to frighten voters into remaining, but the "British" government still consciously chooses to ignore these facts.  Too many people see the economic injustice and will not play ball, but unfortunately, not being adequately informed about their oppressors, and having little assist from mass media, they predictably choose the worser of the two evils, (they being neo-liberalism or hard core conservatism.)  For anyone who doesn't see which "worser" they chose, it is the later.  



I hope that the voters who chose this socio-economic suicide will not suffer too much, I really do.  However, I feel more sadness for the poor, ill, dis-empowered and underprivileged. I cannot see how they will ever recover hope and incrementally build a decent life for themselves and their children in an era of evermore unemployment made worse by the unlikelihood of any assistance from the more fortunate. My causal assessment of this incredibly bad outcome for England is that the voters had become unalterably cynical, (because of the policies of the same people they elected and by the failure to reform the politico-economic system by the opposition parties.) The voters had despaired of ever having a reasonably fair society, so they pulled the plug on everyone. Everyone that is except the small wealthy privileged minority who deny you anything which might cause them to pay a modicum of taxes or be inconvenienced in their endeavors.

Nice to see that Private Frazer is still alive and posting

[Nick]

I agree, but unfortunately, most of the people in this forum won't. (They really have no idea what is about to happen.)

Please tell us Paps, what is going to happen?

[papasmurf]

I hope that the voters who chose this socio-economic suicide will not suffer too much, I really do.  However, I feel more sadness for the poor, ill, dis-empowered and underprivileged. I cannot see how they will ever recover hope and incrementally build a decent life for themselves and their children in an era of evermore unemployment made worse by the unlikelihood of any assistance from the more fortunate. My causal assessment of this incredibly bad outcome for England is that the voters had become unalterably cynical, (because of the policies of the same people they elected and by the failure to reform the politico-economic system by the opposition parties.) The voters had despaired of ever having a reasonably fair society, so they pulled the plug on everyone. Everyone that is except the small wealthy privileged minority who deny you anything which might cause them to pay a modicum of taxes or be inconvenienced in their endeavors.

I agree, but unfortunately, most of the people in this forum won't. (They really have no idea what is about to happen.)

[cromwell]

Anyone pleased with the Tory win have visited upon everyone what I believe will be an irreversible lurch into a socio-economic morass from which the nation will not escape.  The conservative media propaganda and position paradigm has been so moved to the right that there is probably no recovery for England in the cards.  I hope Scotland and Ireland save themselves and go their own way, preserving some empathy for their fellow citizens. Wales cannot unfortunately go it alone, so I am sorry for you. Irish politics will now inevitably more closer and closer to full re-unification in the future. The EU economic system and the lack of any sense of socio-economic justice from the new English government will force their hands.  I guess in a sense that most members of what used to be called the united kingdom will ultimately experience long-term benefit while the mother ship will go down.



The fundamental problem is that you cannot force disparate cultures into the same socio-economic lockstep system and politically control them centrally anymore unless you use force or threat of force. The EU sees that now in spades, having tried and failed to frighten voters into remaining, but the "British" government still consciously chooses to ignore these facts.  Too many people see the economic injustice and will not play ball, but unfortunately, not being adequately informed about their oppressors, and having little assist from mass media, they predictably choose the worser of the two evils, (they being neo-liberalism or hard core conservatism.)  For anyone who doesn't see which "worser" they chose, it is the later.  



I hope that the voters who chose this socio-economic suicide will not suffer too much, I really do.  However, I feel more sadness for the poor, ill, dis-empowered and underprivileged. I cannot see how they will ever recover hope and incrementally build a decent life for themselves and their children in an era of evermore unemployment made worse by the unlikelihood of any assistance from the more fortunate. My causal assessment of this incredibly bad outcome for England is that the voters had become unalterably cynical, (because of the policies of the same people they elected and by the failure to reform the politico-economic system by the opposition parties.) The voters had despaired of ever having a reasonably fair society, so they pulled the plug on everyone. Everyone that is except the small wealthy privileged minority who deny you anything which might cause them to pay a modicum of taxes or be inconvenienced in their endeavors.

Good first post,welcome to the forum :hattip

[Liveinfantasy]

Blyth Valley, old mining area of Wales has turned Tory. Now that is a result!    

Anyone pleased with the Tory win have visited upon everyone what I believe will be an irreversible lurch into a socio-economic morass from which the nation will not escape.  The conservative media propaganda and position paradigm has been so moved to the right that there is probably no recovery for England in the cards.  I hope Scotland and Ireland save themselves and go their own way, preserving some empathy for their fellow citizens. Wales cannot unfortunately go it alone, so I am sorry for you. Irish politics will now inevitably more closer and closer to full re-unification in the future. The EU economic system and the lack of any sense of socio-economic justice from the new English government will force their hands.  I guess in a sense that most members of what used to be called the united kingdom will ultimately experience long-term benefit while the mother ship will go down.



The fundamental problem is that you cannot force disparate cultures into the same socio-economic lockstep system and politically control them centrally anymore unless you use force or threat of force. The EU sees that now in spades, having tried and failed to frighten voters into remaining, but the "British" government still consciously chooses to ignore these facts.  Too many people see the economic injustice and will not play ball, but unfortunately, not being adequately informed about their oppressors, and having little assist from mass media, they predictably choose the worser of the two evils, (they being neo-liberalism or hard core conservatism.)  For anyone who doesn't see which "worser" they chose, it is the later.  



I hope that the voters who chose this socio-economic suicide will not suffer too much, I really do.  However, I feel more sadness for the poor, ill, dis-empowered and underprivileged. I cannot see how they will ever recover hope and incrementally build a decent life for themselves and their children in an era of evermore unemployment made worse by the unlikelihood of any assistance from the more fortunate. My causal assessment of this incredibly bad outcome for England is that the voters had become unalterably cynical, (because of the policies of the same people they elected and by the failure to reform the politico-economic system by the opposition parties.) The voters had despaired of ever having a reasonably fair society, so they pulled the plug on everyone. Everyone that is except the small wealthy privileged minority who deny you anything which might cause them to pay a modicum of taxes or be inconvenienced in their endeavors.

[Thomas]

Quite, the "union" is now split asunder with results in Northern Ireland and Scotland.

of course the union was one big happy family before the conservatives won the general election and people voted brexit in 2016 wasnt it?



What was that , 100 years ago the republic of ireland left this happy wonderfull union?



What was that? Two years into the labour government of tony blair they were forced to reconvene the scottish parliament?



 The results in scotland and northern ireland arent a reason to stop england and wales brexting if thats what the public in those countries want.



Brexit and the tories arent the cause of the union breaking apart , they are a symptom of its ending as i have said many a time.

[Sheepy]

I'm not that much of an optimist, Beelbeeb, I didn't vote Brexit for the economy. However, look at the markets, they are telling a story this morning, as Maggie said, you can't buck the market.

Well I look at like this,the majority of the electorate will get what they voted for,an exit from the EU,keeping the Tories getting waylaid with other agendas,such as Trump,is another matter.We have kept our word of honour despite having the kitchen sink thrown at us.The rest is now down to you lot.

[Baron von Lotsov]

I'm not that much of an optimist, Beelbeeb, I didn't vote Brexit for the economy. However, look at the markets, they are telling a story this morning, as Maggie said, you can't buck the market.

It's brought political stability and it has told investors that the likes of Corbyn will not get one over on the British people selling communism.

[Barry]

I'm not that much of an optimist, Beelbeeb, I didn't vote Brexit for the economy. However, look at the markets, they are telling a story this morning, as Maggie said, you can't buck the market.

[papasmurf]

On the other hand if it turns out to be a shitshow, with pensions and healthcare cut. A struggling economy and a breakup of the UK.  You deserve that for not listening to those who warned you.  Remember that when you get generations of voters start to regard elderly care as an expensive burden.  

Quite, the "union" is now split asunder with results in Northern Ireland and Scotland.

[BeElBeeBub]

Sounds like the attitude of a bad loser, but we already knew that, did we not?

Nope, it looked (now confirmed) that Johnson will have a big majority.



That means the leader of the Leave campaign, advised by the brains behind the leave campaign are now in charge with a big majority.



Everything that follows is now *exactly* what you voted for in 2016.  You have put your trust in Johnson to deliver what he has promised since he tossed a coin and decided to back leave in 2015.



"That wasn't proper brexit" won't cut it anymore.  Whatever happens is on you.



If it's amazing, well you deserve it for persevering in the face of remainer opposition.  For seeing the sunlit uplands and keeping focused on them when the route seemed impassable.



On the other hand if it turns out to be a shitshow, with pensions and healthcare cut. A struggling economy and a breakup of the UK.  You deserve that for not listening to those who warned you.  Remember that when you get generations of voters start to regard elderly care as an expensive burden.  



Sit back, celebrate your victory, enjoy your brexit.



I really hope this turns out well and I've been wrong.  I've much rather be wrong than right here.

[Nick]

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Told ya I was with you 😉



Who would have thunk the Tories winning in Billy Elliot land?

[T00ts]

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[Barry]

Blyth Valley, old mining area of Wales has turned Tory. Now that is a result!