Unconscious Bias Doesn't exist per Tory MPs

[DeppityDawg]

No one can deny that, now they have registered as a political party. We can see what support they get at the ballot boxes.
They'll have a supporter in Hackney.

I've said a dozen times or more that separatism and division is the future of western civilization. Here you have a blatantly racial party on the one hand with a blatantly victim centric narrative, on the other the likes of Lawrence Fox is setting up his "Reclaim" party to fight SJWs and protect free speech, which will no doubt attract the disgruntled white working class vote. Greens and Climate zealots already have their interests catered to, next it will be a "wimmins" party, then "Youth party", and before you know it, every man (and woman) and his fecking dog will be a victim of some description or other. The traditional parties will lose ground and votes, making messy coalitions and grandstanding to disaffected groups the new religion

As for Hackney man, he either hasn't read BLMs Marxist "manifesto" of goals or he thinks they won't apply to him. It would be ironic if he still supports them (in their new, toned down party guise), when they revert to type on getting a sniff of power and support policies that are hardly sympathetic to land lord's with "property portfolios". Or maybe it's only white capitalists they'll go for.

[papasmurf]

In my view, the name: Black Liberation Movement UK, does not fit well with the purpose of a community benefit society which is to serve the broader interests of the community.

Sounds more like a terrorist organisation.

[patman post]

Registration enables campaign group to access donations of £1.2m and invite people to join
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/blm-uk-gains-legal-status-with-renaming-as-black-liberation-movement-uk

The report states: The group, which received £1.2m in donations following widespread protests in June, has registered as a community benefit society under the name Black Liberation Movement UK.

The group claims that the choice of name had to an extent been forced on them because different permutations of the Black Lives Matter name had already been registered.

In my view, the name: Black Liberation Movement UK, does not fit well with the purpose of a community benefit society which is to serve the broader interests of the community. It needs careful and frequent explanation if it is to "carry on a business, industry or trade" that is "being, or intended to be, conducted for the benefit of the community"...
https://communityshares.org.uk/resources/handbook/community-benefit-societies

[Barry]

BLM is politically driven.

No one can deny that, now they have registered as a political party. We can see what support they get at the ballot boxes.
They'll have a supporter in Hackney.

[papasmurf]

There is an evolutionary imperative behind this which is that for hundreds of thousands of years of evolution it was quite useful to animals to be naturally less trusting of those who were from a different tribe or pack.

It did not stop Homo Sapiens breeding with Neanderthals.

[Javert]

The idea that just because you are white, you are acting anti socially by default is ugly as f**k.

But this is an idea that you are floating - this has nothing to do with unconscious bias - you are saying that unconscious bias is a concept that claims that white people are automatically somehow bad.  It is no such thing and has absolutely nothing to do with that.

As I mentioned above, every human being is subject to unconscious bias against those that we perceive as "different" from us for various reasons which might include skin colour or a myriad of other things.

For example, I might have an unconscious bias to assume that people who can't spell in their messages might not be very clever, when actually they might be dyslexic but highly clever.  This has nothing to do with skin colour but it's the exact same scientific concept which has been proven.

There is an evolutionary imperative behind this which is that for hundreds of thousands of years of evolution it was quite useful to animals to be naturally less trusting of those who were from a different tribe or pack.

[Baff]

In what way is the concept of unconscious bias racist? 

The psychological and proven concept of Unconscious bias has nothing to do with white people being racist against BAME people in countries where they are in the majority or have all the power - that is just one specific example.

The overall concept that human beings show unconscious bias against others that they deem to be outside of their "tribe" or somehow unfamiliar is completely proven science.

100% of humans on this planet are subject to their own unconscious biases of all sorts, so how is that racist in any way?

You have answered your own question.
If you use another example like South Africa where black people are in the majority with all the power, it's still racism.
Nor do I even look on at a country like Japan with any degree of horror. Quite the opposite.

No matter which particular people you discriminate against by skin colour.
Racial discrimination is racial discrimination.
Be they a majority or a minority in any particular neighbourhood, racial discrimination is wrong.


The overall concept is being used to promote racism.
The idea that just because you are white, you are acting anti socially by default is ugly as f**k.
It is a tenet of our society to promote racial equality.
We are equals, not victims and not oppressors either.

Whatever negative connotation you attribute to me on the basis of my skin colour and not my individual actions, you can jog on with.

[Javert]

I find the whole concept of "unconcious bias" to be highly racist.
Unconcisously so by those who subscribe to it.


The solution to it, is to point out the inherent racism of it and ridicule anyone advocating for taking it seriously.

In what way is the concept of unconscious bias racist? 

The psychological and proven concept of Unconscious bias has nothing to do with white people being racist against BAME people in countries where they are in the majority or have all the power - that is just one specific example.

The overall concept that human beings show unconscious bias against others that they deem to be outside of their "tribe" or somehow unfamiliar is completely proven science.

100% of humans on this planet are subject to their own unconscious biases of all sorts, so how is that racist in any way?

[Baff]

https://www.ft.com/content/899c3ee0-d37f-11e8-a9f2-7574db66bcd5


Sounds like yet more liberal left guff if you ask me. Javert , do i need to take a knee before posting this?

If i had to go on one of these courses , i would sit and smile throughout ,then crack on as normal once it was all over and ignore.


A good point. The solutions may be crap, but the problem does seem to exist.

What would you do to combat it instead?

I find the whole concept of "unconcious bias" to be highly racist.
Unconcisously so by those who subscribe to it.


The solution to it, is to point out the inherent racism of it and ridicule anyone advocating for taking it seriously.

[Borg Refinery]

Racism is just wrong full stop, whether it's by nu lab liberals (who crom hates) or by pigignorant clueless klux klanners

Ok. So the pair of you feel the need to tell me racism is "wrong". And there was me thinking, "oh it's ok,.I'll just be racist today, no one will mind" Feck sake

Has Javert hijacked your account?

Where did I accuse you or anyone else of being racist? You said you don't care if people are racist and I simply said but.. the Rotherham thing was racism too, so clearly you do care.

[DeppityDawg]

No one is calling you racist,councils,police departments in Yankee land,they're all staffed by ordinary people for good and sometimes bad.

Like I said, not bothered. Call me what you like. I've put the argument in another thread. I changed the title of Liberal ****s to Liberal bias though 

[cromwell]

Racism is just wrong full stop, whether it's by nu lab liberals (who crom hates) or by pigignorant clueless klux klanners

Ok. So the pair of you feel the need to tell me racism is "wrong". And there was me thinking, "oh it's ok,.I'll just be racist today, no one will mind" Feck sake

I'm going to start a new thread on it to illustrate the problem with this tedious debate, not that I'll get anything other than a shrug and a few soothing words. No wonder I fecking detest liberals.

I don't need nor want to tell you anything but will express an opinion,it's a forum....a political one and so I and I expect many others differ.

No one is calling you racist,councils,police departments in Yankee land,they're all staffed by ordinary people for good and sometimes bad.

[DeppityDawg]

Racism is just wrong full stop, whether it's by nu lab liberals (who crom hates) or by pigignorant clueless klux klanners

Ok. So the pair of you feel the need to tell me racism is "wrong". And there was me thinking, "oh it's ok,.I'll just be racist today, no one will mind" Feck sake

I'm going to start a new thread on it to illustrate the problem with this tedious debate, not that I'll get anything other than a shrug and a few soothing words. No wonder I fecking detest liberals.

[cromwell]

No it doesn't.
I think many yanks would openly nod their heads at a black guy being killed by police that served him right add those who remain silent,and yes this was ordinary people who worked for a council.

Btw you said many,can you define that? I mean much was made of me saying many not long ago.
   

You what? Ordinary people who worked for a council? Its local government. Local government are elected representatives ffs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

Here's your link. Ordinary people? Oh hang on...this is Rotherham Council.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29286638

Isn't this the same council on whose watch hundreds of white girls were abused by Asian grooming gangs, and no one said a fecking word?

Surely mate the answer is that they were horribly in the wrong, and so is any form of racism - whether against white girls asin Rotherham - or anyone?

Have it your way. Yes, the Yanks are racist, the Brits are racist, we are all fecking racist. You know what, I don't give a shit.

But it can never be right. When those rape gangs in one case raped and killed a 14 year old white girl and cooked her (I'm not making this up, honestly) and then reportedly said white people are white shit..we can do what we like...how is that any different to the scumbag KKK racistsin the south (who still very much exist) and who love stringing up black folks who they also see as shit?

Racism is just wrong full stop, whether it's by nu lab liberals (who crom hates) or by pigignorant clueless klux klanners...

I wonder how it all came about, that some people can only view the world in black and white.What was the point of colour TV?

Dunno,but the b&w licenceis cheaper.

The television never reached certain parts of Hastings  (such as Sedlescombe), they're still using crank/wind-up radios to communicate

Crank,wind ups? Not out of place on here at times.

[Borg Refinery]

No it doesn't.
I think many yanks would openly nod their heads at a black guy being killed by police that served him right add those who remain silent,and yes this was ordinary people who worked for a council.

Btw you said many,can you define that? I mean much was made of me saying many not long ago.
   

You what? Ordinary people who worked for a council? Its local government. Local government are elected representatives ffs

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20474120

Here's your link. Ordinary people? Oh hang on...this is Rotherham Council.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29286638

Isn't this the same council on whose watch hundreds of white girls were abused by Asian grooming gangs, and no one said a fecking word?

Surely mate the answer is that they were horribly in the wrong, and so is any form of racism - whether against white girls asin Rotherham - or anyone?

Have it your way. Yes, the Yanks are racist, the Brits are racist, we are all fecking racist. You know what, I don't give a shit.

But it can never be right. When those rape gangs in one case raped and killed a 14 year old white girl and cooked her (I'm not making this up, honestly) and then reportedly said white people are white shit..we can do what we like...how is that any different to the scumbag KKK racistsin the south (who still very much exist) and who love stringing up black folks who they also see as shit?

Racism is just wrong full stop, whether it's by nu lab liberals (who crom hates) or by pigignorant clueless klux klanners...

I wonder how it all came about, that some people can only view the world in black and white.What was the point of colour TV?

Dunno,but the b&w licenceis cheaper.

The television never reached certain parts of Hastings  (such as Sedlescombe), they're still using crank/wind-up radios to communicate