Parliament Vs "the people"

[Ciaphas]

You think? Including Remainer May? It always seemed May was going for a very soft BRINO.

Taking the UK out of the Single Market and Customs Union is a soft Brexit?

[Barry]

The Conservatives have persued a hard Brexit from the outset and labelled anyone, including their own MP's, who wanted a less damaging form of Brexit as remainer.

You think? Including Remainer May? It always seemed May was going for a very soft BRINO.

[Streetwalker]

The Conservatives have persued a hard Brexit from the outset and labelled anyone, including their own MP's, who wanted a less damaging form of Brexit as remainer.

         :fpigs:

[Ciaphas]

I don't think anyone , not even Farage promoted a hard Brexit at the outset . It has been the ongoing diversion and attempt to halt Brexit altogether by parliament ,political commentators  and the BBC (among others) that has put people who wanted an agreed Brexit with the EU into a mindset of Brexit at any cost .

Furthermore people who oppose any form of Brexit have been the enemy, politically speaking ,its only because of them that a hard Brexit has become a possibility . A possibility I now welcome as an alternative to the Johnson deal

The Conservatives have persued a hard Brexit from the outset and labelled anyone, including their own MP's, who wanted a less damaging form of Brexit as remainer.

[Streetwalker]

I suppose if someone fervently believe that a hard Brexit is a desirable outcome then it probably wouldn't take much effort to convince them that anyone who opposes a hard Brexit is the enemy.

I don't think anyone , not even Farage promoted a hard Brexit at the outset . It has been the ongoing diversion and attempt to halt Brexit altogether by parliament ,political commentators  and the BBC (among others) that has put people who wanted an agreed Brexit with the EU into a mindset of Brexit at any cost .

Furthermore people who oppose any form of Brexit have been the enemy, politically speaking ,its only because of them that a hard Brexit has become a possibility . A possibility I now welcome as an alternative to the Johnson deal

[Ciaphas]

The mind games via the media have already started Major,allegedly the gap is closing.

You mean they are actually required to be balanced and can't lie?

[Sheepy]

The mind games via the media have already started Major,allegedly the gap is closing.

[Sheepy]

LOL you mean Populism is against the daily and constant lies issued by Parliament and the media as fodder for the likes of yourself,most likely true.

It is most probably against the constant mental battering issued by said politicians for their own gain as well,while the country languishes in mass mental health problems,just so they can keep their positions in the pyramid.Which incidentally you show a complete lack of knowledge of your own inflicted problems.

[BeElBeeBub]

It seems a perfectly balanced and nuanced view.  Your very language - "the people", "the establishment" is populist.



Populism is not merely "a public stating their views through the ballot boxes".



It is the setting of the public in opposition to the institutions of governance ("the establishment")



Setting out popular policies and gaining the votes to implement them via the mechanisms of government is being a good (as in able) politician.



Deliberately attacking those institutions by claiming you speak for "the people" is populism.

[Barry]

From that article:

https://constitution-unit.com/2019/11/05/why-a-rhetoric-of-parliament-versus-people-is-both-dishonest-and-dangerous">//https://constitution-unit.com/2019/11/05/why-a-rhetoric-of-parliament-versus-people-is-both-dishonest-and-dangerous

A language of 'the people against the elites' is the hallmark of populism – a divisive approach, which seeks to sow the seeds of discontent with political decision-makers for electoral gain. The rise of populism around the world has been widely noted by academic and media commentators, with increasing concern. A populist approach is in essence antipolitical, making it difficult to reach the kinds of agreements that are necessary in complex societies. The diversity of views among 'the people' is glossed over, as are the challenges for politicians in meeting these complex demands. Instead, political actors and institutions are demonised, driving out compromise and mutual understanding.

This is hardly a balanced view.

Populism is merely a public stating their views through the ballot boxes. Often in direct opposition to the establishment view. That is what is worrying them.

Who does the UCL speak for?

Government, the people or the establishment?

[BeElBeeBub]

Despite that it clearly is a message that resonates with many on this board.

Exhibit A....

Wakey,wakey,they are being warned they are likely to be attacked when out canvassing,if that isn't a sign it is people versus politicians,then do tell us what is?

[Ciaphas]

I suppose if someone fervently believe that a hard Brexit is a desirable outcome then it probably wouldn't take much effort to convince them that anyone who opposes a hard Brexit is the enemy.

[Sheepy]

Wakey,wakey,they are being warned they are likely to be attacked when out canvassing,if that isn't a sign it is people versus politicians,then do tell us what is?

[BeElBeeBub]

Article about the "parliament Vs the people" message by the likes of BJ, Farage, JRM.



https://constitution-unit.com/2019/11/05/why-a-rhetoric-of-parliament-versus-people-is-both-dishonest-and-dangerous">https://constitution-unit.com/2019/11/0 ... -dangerous">https://constitution-unit.com/2019/11/05/why-a-rhetoric-of-parliament-versus-people-is-both-dishonest-and-dangerous



It points out a number of factual inaccuracies in their claim.



Despite that it clearly is a message that resonates with many on this board.