Financial Liabilities in Boris Deal

[Stevlin]

Leaving the EU with no agreement in place to properly manage the transition or ensure the continuation of the Good Friday Agreement is not a valid option.



I believe Boris threatened to leave with no agreement to both win over voters like you who think it's a good idea and also in the hope MP's would support his deal as the lesser of two evils.



If the government can't get a withdrawal deal through parliament, is unwilling to hold a confirmatory referendum to let the public decide for them, and fails to secure a big enough majority in the upcoming general election to pass the deal then the only sensible alternative is to pull the plug on Brexit.

On the contrary - it makes eminent sense, as it IS the only way that a satisfactory deal can be achieved. The Remainer Parliament have stupidly seen to that. Leaving the EU to regain independence - and THEN agreeing a mutually advantageous deal would be the sensible approach - i.e similar to negotiations between the EU and other independent countries. Any outstanding costs that the UK should accept are those that CANNOT be suspended at the UK leaving date --- and they shouldn't come anywhere near that ridiculous £39 billion claim!!

[Scott777]

No it is not. The WTO has a lot of problems effectively Trump is in charge of the dispute resolution system.

Just one of many comments about the problems:-



https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/the-world-trade-organisation-struggles-to-remain-the-worlds-trade-rule-maker-trump-brexit">https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/econ ... ump-brexit">https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/the-world-trade-organisation-struggles-to-remain-the-worlds-trade-rule-maker-trump-brexit

"the WTO is tottering under the crushing weight of the trade problems it is supposed to resolve. "  So it might be better just to negotiate trade deals without it.

[Scott777]

It can only be considered a valid option if you don't care about the consequences.



Since the government is duty bound to protect this countries intetests and uphold the Good Friday Agreement, leaving the EU with no transition agreement in place that meets both of those requirements is not a valid option. All the issues you run away from my leaving with no deal will remain unresolved, and the UK will be in a much weaker position when it eventually has to face up to them.



There is no situation where the UK is better off if it leaves the EU, and your opinions on the EU are not universally held. Polls have shown a preference for remaining over leaving for quite some time now.

Remaining certainly doesn't protect our interests.  Leaving means running away from totalitarianism and financial collapse.  They are easier resolved without the EU mafia hung around our necks.

[Borchester]

It can only be considered a valid option if you don't care about the consequences.



Since the government is duty bound to protect this countries intetests and uphold the Good Friday Agreement, leaving the EU with no transition agreement in place that meets both of those requirements is not a valid option. All the issues you run away from my leaving with no deal will remain unresolved, and the UK will be in a much weaker position when it eventually has to face up to them.



There is no situation where the UK is better off if it leaves the EU, and your opinions on the EU are not universally held. Polls have shown a preference for remaining over leaving for quite some time now.

I doubt that many of Boris' followers give a crap about the Good Friday Agreement. Nor for that matter does much of the EU. As Tommy Sheldon, that great early 19th century thinker has so often said, "Big fVcks little."



The only part of Ireland that the UK need bother about is the part of the ROI where the economists and legislators have the creators of the Celtic Tiger, which is still roaring away happily.

[Ciaphas]

WTO is a valid option, and you'll find most Brexiters support that.  Remaining in the EU is not sensible, it is a ticket to totalitarianism.  It is not sensible to force a nation to be part of a wanna-be United States of Europe, any more than denying independence for Hong Hong or Catalan.

It can only be considered a valid option if you don't care about the consequences.



Since the government is duty bound to protect this countries intetests and uphold the Good Friday Agreement, leaving the EU with no transition agreement in place that meets both of those requirements is not a valid option. All the issues you run away from my leaving with no deal will remain unresolved, and the UK will be in a much weaker position when it eventually has to face up to them.



There is no situation where the UK is better off if it leaves the EU, and your opinions on the EU are not universally held. Polls have shown a preference for remaining over leaving for quite some time now.

[papasmurf]

WTO is a valid option,

No it is not. The WTO has a lot of problems effectively Trump is in charge of the dispute resolution system.

Just one of many comments about the problems:-



https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/the-world-trade-organisation-struggles-to-remain-the-worlds-trade-rule-maker-trump-brexit">https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/econ ... ump-brexit">https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/the-world-trade-organisation-struggles-to-remain-the-worlds-trade-rule-maker-trump-brexit

[Scott777]

Leaving the EU with no agreement in place to properly manage the transition or ensure the continuation of the Good Friday Agreement is not a valid option.



I believe Boris threatened to leave with no agreement to both win over voters like you who think it's a good idea and also in the hope MP's would support his deal as the lesser of two evils.



If the government can't get a withdrawal deal through parliament, is unwilling to hold a confirmatory referendum to let the public decide for them, and fails to secure a big enough majority in the upcoming general election to pass the deal then the only sensible alternative is to pull the plug on Brexit.

WTO is a valid option, and you'll find most Brexiters support that.  Remaining in the EU is not sensible, it is a ticket to totalitarianism.  It is not sensible to force a nation to be part of a wanna-be United States of Europe, any more than denying independence for Hong Hong or Catalan.

[Ciaphas]

Boris made his best attempt at threatening the EU with no deal.  It didn't help the negotiation.  The deal is still crap.  I'm afraid the only option left is no deal, so they need to take the deal off the table, otherwise it's just a repeat of May.

Leaving the EU with no agreement in place to properly manage the transition or ensure the continuation of the Good Friday Agreement is not a valid option.



I believe Boris threatened to leave with no agreement to both win over voters like you who think it's a good idea and also in the hope MP's would support his deal as the lesser of two evils.



If the government can't get a withdrawal deal through parliament, is unwilling to hold a confirmatory referendum to let the public decide for them, and fails to secure a big enough majority in the upcoming general election to pass the deal then the only sensible alternative is to pull the plug on Brexit.

[Barry]

Boris made his best attempt at threatening the EU with no deal.  It didn't help the negotiation.  The deal is still crap.  I'm afraid the only option left is no deal, so they need to take the deal off the table, otherwise it's just a repeat of May.

But Boris will likely say, vote for me and my deal, then when it all goes to Parliament it gets delayed again and we go round and round until we are all dead.  ::

[Streetwalker]

We are indeed in a very strage place in regards to Mr Johnson being a free pass by sections of the media that would usually be rabid in their reaction to the deal he secured.

As far as the formally  Pro leave Daily Express are concerned they were brought out by Trinity mirror in 2018 and the editor of the Daily mirror was installed in that job at the Express papers (Sunday express and daily star included  ). Maybe explains the change of tact in the press overall with

I believe the mail have also having seen changes at the top

[Scott777]

However it does make assumptions that they will rule out "no deal" in their manifesto. I'm still reserving judgement.  :shrg:

Boris made his best attempt at threatening the EU with no deal.  It didn't help the negotiation.  The deal is still crap.  I'm afraid the only option left is no deal, so they need to take the deal off the table, otherwise it's just a repeat of May.

[Ciaphas]

Not just PR. I think MSM is showing its true colours.  Even the Express and Daily Mail (so called Brexit supporters, hahaha) are supporting Boris.  Well, either they are very very dumb, without a proper journalist between them, or they are pro EU.

We are indeed in a very strage place in regards to Mr Johnson being a free pass by sections of the media that would usually be rabid in their reaction to the deal he secured.

[Scott777]

The UK is also now giving up its share of the European Investment bank that Mrs May had previously secured, several billion pounds I believe.



Given the grief that Mrs May got it shows just how good a PR job Mr Johnson is doing given that he still seems to enjoy support from many leavers despite his deal being worse than Mrs May's.

Not just PR. I think MSM is showing its true colours.  Even the Express and Daily Mail (so called Brexit supporters, hahaha) are supporting Boris.  Well, either they are very very dumb, without a proper journalist between them, or they are pro EU.

[Barry]

This is one view of how bad Boris's deal is:

https://petedurnell.com/boriss-bogus-brexit-the-truth/">//https://petedurnell.com/boriss-bogus-brexit-the-truth/

However it does make assumptions that they will rule out "no deal" in their manifesto. I'm still reserving judgement.  :shrg:

[Ciaphas]

The UK is also now giving up its share of the European Investment bank that Mrs May had previously secured, several billion pounds I believe.



Given the grief that Mrs May got it shows just how good a PR job Mr Johnson is doing given that he still seems to enjoy support from many leavers despite his deal being worse than Mrs May's.