UKIP NEC troubles

[Baron von Lotsov]

I'll take that as a "NO" then.  :-P





I would never even have considered voting for the racist and nasty BNP.

Yes I know, I just put that in for humour value. It highlights the irony.

The Brexit Party are on a 10% showing with little chance of even getting 1 MP.

Indeed, and you'll notice they are already heading south. When a deal is finally agreed then their job is kind of done. They will drop off the radar.

UKIP are a busted flush.

Not quite. With radical restructuring into a post brexit party they could survive. I'm suggesting this is what they do.

Labour is broken completely with a leader who cannot be trusted to purge his own party of anti-Jewish hatred.

Our country would be done for if that man ever got into power.

Lib Dems have become undemocratic.

Yes, it's the Newspeak meaning of liberal.

So it's the Greens or the Conservatives. Now, which one will get us out of the EU?   :shrg:

The Greens are on par with Corbyn. They are in my view capable of even greater radicalism, as per Extinction Rebellion. They are like Maoist revolutionaries, and could turn bloody.



So you are down to Tory. The trouble is they have no credible competition and can do what they like. Even if you were a keen Tory you would support a competitor like the UKIP, simply because if there were a competitor, the Tories would be far better, or should I say, far less worse than with none. They could go completely soviet without competition.

[Barry]

I have not voted for it yet.



I might do if it shapes up into a party that I agree with.

I'll take that as a "NO" then.  :-P

What are you going to do though? The Brexit Party will be gone soon and you can't vote for the BNP, So are you going to vote for one of the main three or perhaps go Green?

I would never even have considered voting for the racist and nasty BNP.

The Brexit Party are on a 10% showing with little chance of even getting 1 MP.

UKIP are a busted flush.

Labour is broken completely with a leader who cannot be trusted to purge his own party of anti-Jewish hatred.

Lib Dems have become undemocratic.

So it's the Greens or the Conservatives. Now, which one will get us out of the EU?   :shrg:

[Baron von Lotsov]

UKIP have just had their NEC elections. Bear in mind when you read this that the reason all this fuss started was because of Tommy Robinson, where the NEC felt it was overshadowing their more moderate self with claptrap. Anyhow for fun I quote from Hope not Hate.



Nicole Bushill came top with 1710 votes https://kippercentral.com/2019/11/03/ukip-nec-election-results/">https://kippercentral.com/2019/11/03/uk ... n-results/">https://kippercentral.com/2019/11/03/ukip-nec-election-results/

Standing for UKIP in Chatham and Aylesford is Nicole Bushill. Bushill's social media displays a litanty of anti-Islam posts, such as material railing against an "islamic halal tax" on Easter products that is supposedly "being paid to Islam", and another repost calling to "end Islamisation" due to halal meat being served at Subway. Another post on Bushill's account states that "Islam has a phobia about ANYTHING not ISLAMIC".



Another post made on Bushill's account praises leading Dutch anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders. Wilders has referred to Islam as the "ideology of a retarded culture" and compared the Qu'ran to Hitler's Mein Kampf, later calling for the Muslim holy book to be banned. "Keep voting for these guys people and we may just win this war", the post reads.

Well it looks like Hope not Hate are addicted to social media as well. I hope they check what is in their burgers or they might hate it and throw up.



Mike Shaw is another newly elected NEC member. He's on Gerard + Richard's side. More on that here:

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-east-suffolk-split-from-party-1-6277501">https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/u ... -1-6277501">https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-east-suffolk-split-from-party-1-6277501

[Baron von Lotsov]

Do you still advocate voting for this excuse for a political party, BvL?

I have not voted for it yet.



I might do if it shapes up into a party that I agree with.



What are you going to do though? The Brexit Party will be gone soon and you can't vote for the BNP, So are you going to vote for one of the main three or perhaps go Green?

[Barry]

Do you still advocate voting for this excuse for a political party, BvL?

[Baron von Lotsov]

I'd also like to add this article from Gerard so one can get a balanced view.



https://kippercentral.com/2019/10/31/gerard-batten-a-bleak-day-for-ukip-as-the-nec-forces-out-the-leader-so-what-next/">https://kippercentral.com/2019/10/31/ge ... what-next/">https://kippercentral.com/2019/10/31/gerard-batten-a-bleak-day-for-ukip-as-the-nec-forces-out-the-leader-so-what-next/



Gerard is basically saying the NEC as they are, are utterly incompetent and simply can not run the party. To get a High Court injunction has probably cost the members about £30k. On reflection I think the motive was to communicate with members via the mailing list. One member said on Youtube he was just getting propaganda now as a member. The UKIP machine seems to have ground to a halt. The trouble is in law the NEC are the directors of the company, so they hold the clout. To get around this would require an injunction served on them, which is believed it be possible, but it's more cash.

[Baron von Lotsov]

UKIP's Richard Braine is in deep trouble.



This is a High Court injunction relating to this alleged data breach of their mail server.  

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No one other than a few people know what the injunction is hiding and they must not tell anyone else.



So it turns out what Neil Hamilton said does have truth to it, despite what some think of the man. Of course if Richard Braine doesn't have a very good reason then he's done for, and it kind of supports the NEC's case that he went out of control. The trouble is we can probably never know what that reason is because he is gagged. We have to rely on the integrity of the court. The court would not injunct it without a good reason, so it points the finger at Richard Braine. I must admit, not turning up to the annual conference was a questionable thing to do. Why has he gone so haywire when he comes across as a such a cool reasoned and intelligent chap? Oh well, one good point is at least Gerard's name is not on it, and Gerard was on the side of Britain when the Russians approached him and fingered a dodgy one to the authorities. Perhaps he's the only credible man left to take back leadership.

[Churchill]

Thanks



Just finishing War and Peace first, shorter than your posts and easier to follow ::

[Baron von Lotsov]

After reading the first two lines I gave up trying to follow your drift totally baffled

Oh well, you can go back to sleep now.

[Churchill]

After reading the first two lines I gave up trying to follow your drift totally baffled

[Baron von Lotsov]

What's this???



No FT No comment!!!

[Churchill]

:-?  :roll:

[Baron von Lotsov]

UKIP are going backwards not forwards IMO I would have liked to see them in opposition but that may never be a reality I think the Brexit Party will attract many voters especially in the North of England.



We will find out before Christmas not long to wait.

Think of it as a seed turning into a plant. If the seed is good it will grow, but if it is not, it never will. This time is crucial, because what we have to do is re-engineer the seed so it is exactly right and makes sense, and by making sense everyone will agree with it in the core UKIP. Once we have a solid and purposeful direction that works with UKIP members, we know it will gain traction further afield, and all this can be achieved without any MSM support, which is what Farage relied on.



I'm dead against compromise. The UKIP must not trade policy for MSM support, because this is damage to the seed and its growth capabilities. There are many members and supporters, some have left in protest because of the chaos, but are ready to rejoin once the party sorts itself out, as long as it is not compromised in the MSM direction. My guess is there are a good 40 000 strong group behind what the UKIP are trying to do. These are not fair weather people and are intelligent. It's only a tiny fraction of what the party could get in support, but the core crowd are the thinkers. the bulk of the votes are people not into politics in a big way.



Anyhow first of all I think a bit of peace should be made. I do not like this crowd thing where the crowd shout out, Hamilton - you are a traitor off with your head and so on. UKIP must bring everyone around a table, and deal with it using reason. The MSM will try and stoke the chaos, but hey, this is the test of how tough you really are. If you wimp out then you're no good anyway. Do it the right way and your left with a core of tough solid strength to form the basis of a party that could win. The solution is not exclusive to any faction in the UKIP, it is a combination of truths in each faction.



Just a bit of a caveat here though. The FT is worth taking seriously. it's pro-EU but the thing is it is putting up real problems which the UKIP will have to find answers to. These guys do this commerce stuff as their day job, at least the readers do, and we have to be smart. If the UKIP could formulate a position which solves their issues in the real world then it's a winner in my view. As for the BBC, Guardian, independent, Torygraph, Times etc etc they are full of crap and sensationalists. Only the FT stands out as rational. This is the difference, i.e. real problems vs. made up ones Daily Mail style.

[Churchill]

UKIP are going backwards not forwards IMO I would have liked to see them in opposition but that may never be a reality I think the Brexit Party will attract many voters especially in the North of England.



We will find out before Christmas not long to wait.

[Baron von Lotsov]

UKIP came about as Parliament was not listening to the people they succeeded in their one aim which was to bring about the Referendum on the EU something that many people had been denied for decades.



As for the Brexit Party we will see at the GE how popular they are with the voters my prediction is the GE may go two ways, many voters have had enough of our poloticians and may not even bother to vote, or they are so angry they will vote for the Brexit Party in large numbers if they win any seats remains to be seen.

Some guys are beginning to twig the UKIP represent real opposition where all other parties do not. They come to this conclusion because of how much the UKIP is attacked vs how the press line up to worship the Brexit Party. I've seen it myself and it is bloody obvious to me, and yet to 99% it is not. The system attacks those it sees as a threat, not those it clandestinely works with.



UKIP might well shed a lot of stupid people, but if the core is ideologically strong and consistent then it can regrow from that. We do need a party which questions the ways of the others or else the eventual result is total lockdown dictatorship, and we are not that far off. Richard Braine seems to be the right man for the job, but I'm a little worried about that alleged data breach but do not expect Hamilton to be unbiased in his reporting of it. If Hamilton is right then it changes everything. For all we know, Braine could be a wrongun.