The EU triggered article 16 or didn't discussion

[Thomas]

Merkel Ally Urges Germany to Circumvent EU on Covid Shots

(Bloomberg) -- A senior member of Angela Merkel's conservative bloc took a swipe at the chancellor's vaccine strategy, calling for Germany to purchase shots at the national level because the European Union is too slow. Merkel has been under fire over delegating purchasing and distribution of Covid-19 vaccines to the EU, which is being blamed for the sluggish rampup.

Alexander Dobrindt, the caucus leader for the Bavarian sister party of Merkel's Christian Democrats, said Germany should get shots from Russia and China to accelerate its inoculation program. "Germany cannot wait for the big and slow tanker EU in such an essential matter," Dobrindt, the caucus leader for the CSU, told reporters in Berlin on Tuesday.

Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/merkel-ally-calls-for-germany-to-circumvent-eu-on-vaccine-supply
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[Borchester]

Ask someone in NI how their imports from GB are going.
Give this a couple of weeks and the truth will be out

No need to wait a couple of weeks Gerry.

You are supposed to be an electrician, plumber and/or university lecturer based either in the Republic, Ulster or the Father Ted pub in Loampit Vale Lewisham.

Maybe you could pop out and count the dead and dying that clog the streets of Belfast and report back to us?

[Nick]

Irish not happy.


https://youtu.be/6lEnx0p1_Og

For the great good. Isn't that what these EU types keep telling us?

[Thomas]

But but the eu are the adults in the room.....Javert said so,of course only the childish or thick voted to leave in the first place and we have disappeard down a rabbit hole 'cos Gerry said so.

If anyone ever had doubts about leaving watching the eu at work should convince it was the right thing to do.

I think the scales are starting to fall from many peoples eyes cromwell.

Thats why we need gerry to keep posting on this forum , he is doing a one man stellar job of convicing people leaving the eu was a good thing.

Member on the old forum where robin goodfellow was the lone voice of defending new labour and tony blair? Stood alone for years defendind blair and insistitng he had done nothing worng over things like iraq , look how that panned out?

Labour out of power for 11 years and counting , and not only out of power ,but lost all their old fiefdoms and shrinking back to being the party of the south east english woke middle class champagne socialists.

Im sure gerry will do a similar grand job on behalf of remain .

[cromwell]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9238353/George-Eustice-warns-EU-Britain-tough-Brussels-doesnt-down.html

But but the eu are the adults in the room.....Javert said so,of course only the childish or thick voted to leave in the first place and we have disappeard down a rabbit hole 'cos Gerry said so.

If anyone ever had doubts about leaving watching the eu at work should convince it was the right thing to do.

[Thomas]

We'll board your boats if you don't back down: George Eustice warns EU that Britain will get tough if Brussels doesn't back down in row over shellfish exports

    Britain could start boarding European fishing boats to interrupt their catches
    George Eustice said Government could drop 'pragmatic and sensible' approach
    Environment Secretary faced calls to start conducting disruptive spot checks on foreign vessels operating in British waters

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9238353/George-Eustice-warns-EU-Britain-tough-Brussels-doesnt-down.html

[Thomas]

Irish not happy.


https://youtu.be/6lEnx0p1_Og

[Thomas]

ouch!!!

EU vaccine farce: VDL lambasted for 'ill-judged' Cold War attack on UK's Covid jab scheme
EU boss Ursula von der Leyen has been slated for comparing the bloc's vaccine war over jabs to the Cold War space race.

"Ursula von der Leyen proves again that she wants to seem strong by using tough rhetoric, but her ill-judged actions and leadership are weakening the Commission and EU globally.

"The EU is hardly a global power like the USA, but a political union with a sharply decreasing portion of the world's population and economic output.

"A region which is declining demographically as well as democratically in great part because of EU policies.

"After her vaccine rollout fiasco, von der Leyen should be more modest in her rhetoric and prove herself through wise actions and not bellicose language."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1395154/EU-vaccine-news-Ursula-von-der-Leyen-Cold-War-space-race-UK-Covid-jab-scheme-latest

[johnofgwent]

Nick John is pointing out that the EU didn't trigger Art16 ?
That is my argument.

They did, however, threaten to do just that, having miserably failed to put their own house in order. But others have outlined this already.

[DeppityDawg]

But the EU itself has admitted that triggering article 16 at this point was incorrect and therefore they withdrew it so yes if you want to describe it as indefensible go ahead.

However Boris Johnson has also already threatened to trigger article 16 several times, including once even before the EU proposal.  The (UK) also invoked export controls on medicines essential for Coronavirus 10 months ago, so surely those actions are also indefensible if that's the word you want to use?

It's not just article 16, it's the utterly indefencible act of trying to blame AZ and the UK for its own a abysmal performance over the vaccine roll out. They took months to do what should have taken weeks, then when their ponderous snail paced decision making results in a 3 month delay to placing the orders for the drugs, they try and blame others for it. FFS, Gerry claims to be a businessman - in what business environment does delaying contracts mean production is not affected?  They even published heavily redacted copies of the contract which only succeeded in proving AZs best efforts clause.

Only the most blinkered EU centric zealot could not see what an enormous feck up they made of it. It's like watching an oil tanker trying to negotiate a mini roundabout. That's what opponents of the EU have been saying over and over again for years - that's it's too ponderous and bureaucratic. You couldn't have asked for a better example of its failings for feck sake.

[Thomas]

I'll cal bullshit on that.

First, inbound, the UK has postponed ALL checks on EU deliveries until July. This is a smugglers paradise, you can now get anything into the UK, load up a trailer and bring it in, safe in the knowledge there are zero checks, yipee.

Next outgoing traffic, that's UK gov bull shit, it references Jan 30 to Feb 5th, ffs maybe they looked at traffic flow between 2pm and 2:15pm. The claims came from the UK road haulage association and their grave concerns. What you see here is the UK Gov. saying "no problem her, nothing to see, move along". There's been so many reports of trucks stuck, the lack of customs officials and the Gov. is saying "no problem"
More whats happening is people aren't sending goods to ship out as they haven't the paperwork or official sign off so aren't loading trailers. Even the UK gov said 50% of trucks leaving the UK are going back empty. Joke stuff.

How do UK people put up with this constant stream of lies from the people you elect. It's constant. Luckily they can no longer blame the EU, but I bet they will try.

Ask someone in NI how their imports from GB are going.
Give this a couple of weeks and the truth will be out

Do you know what gerry , im really enjoying brexit. I admit , i made a mistake voting remain in 2016.

Business
U.K.-EU Freight Trade Back to 90% of Normal, Port of Dover Says








Freight traffic through the Port of Dover is running at 90% of usual levels, better than had been feared amid new Brexit red tape and another round of social restrictions to contain the coronavirus.

The port's figures are higher than a U.K. government estimate of 82%, which was provided in response to claims from the Road Haulage Association that truck cargoes to the European Union were down 68% last month compared to a year earlier.

The Cabinet Office said flows through all U.K. ports last week were "close to normal" despite the impact of lockdowns on trade and denied that up to three-quarters of vehicles that had arrived in Britain from the EU were returning empty.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-08/u-k-eu-freight-trade-back-to-90-of-normal-port-of-dover-says?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid%3D=socialflow-facebook-brexit&utm_medium=social&utm_content=brexit

Port of dover saying uk eu freight back to 90 % of normal despite covid 19 .

[Baff]

Barnier was the first person to go on record threatening Article 16 even before the treaty was signed.
And the EU was the first to ask for treaty ammendments after it was signed.

And the first to enact Article 16.
And the only one to do so without following the agreed process.
Or "breaking international law" as some like to describe it.

It's quite likely Boris will trigger Article 16 himself at this point.
The Irish are royally pissed off with the EU. And no one expects the EU to start acting reasonably any time soon.

[Javert]

The thing is Javert, no one had heard about Boris making such threats until after UVDL threatened it and Tony Blair said how stupid they were.
So the Boris stuff all sounds a bit like smoke and mirrors.

It was on the record.

[Barry]

The thing is Javert, no one had heard about Boris making such threats until after UVDL threatened it and Tony Blair said how stupid they were.
So the Boris stuff all sounds a bit like smoke and mirrors.

[Javert]

Talk about putting lipstick on a fecking pig. What is it that was said the other day in one thread or another? That some ****head would try and defend the indefensible actions of the EU, and lo and behold, up pops the sycophant from Tralee

I think I said something like "if the EU said we had to eat babies, someone would defend it". Gerry T, you're utterly fecking pathetic. Go and sort your own country's problems out and stop pretending you care about anything but winding people up on internet forums

But the EU itself has admitted that triggering article 16 at this point was incorrect and therefore they withdrew it so yes if you want to describe it as indefensible go ahead.

However Boris Johnson has also already threatened to trigger article 16 several times, including once even before the EU proposal.  The (UK) also invoked export controls on medicines essential for Coronavirus 10 months ago, so surely those actions are also indefensible if that's the word you want to use?