Widespread Covid Infections found in US as early as Dec 13th 2019

[Barry]

The Chinese told us last April the Bat stories were a complete fabrication, when we mentioned it was made up garbage, the media went into overdrive with so called experts saying it was spread by bats.

Whilst in China the W.H.O. said they were ruling out the idea it came from the virus laboratory in Wuhan.
Once they had safely left, they said that the Wuhan laboratory was not ruled out.
You do have to be careful what you say when the CCP agents are looking over your shoulder apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/09/wuhan-laboratory-leak-covid-origin-theory-unlikely-says-who-team

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-backtracks-on-dismissing-wuhan-lab-theory-as-probe-continues-12216442
The Guardian didn't publish the backtracking, as far as I could see.

[Sheepy]

Has China let that WHO team in yet, SPV, or are they still cleaning up all the evidence and disappearing the witnesses?

The Chinese told us last April the Bat stories were a complete fabrication, when we mentioned it was made up garbage, the media went into overdrive with so called experts saying it was spread by bats.

[Sampanviking]

I don't give a flying f**k where this bug came from and give less than a wet shit for where it is going.

But I am bored f**king shitless by the whole f**king business.

Whats the matter Borkie soh failure all of a sudden? I wonder why!

[Borchester]

I don't give a flying F@@@ where this bug came from and give less than a wet shit for where it is going.

But I am bored fucking shitless by the whole fucking business.

[Scott777]

It seems more and more "overlooked" evidence of early virus origins are slowly being acknowledged. Cyrus Jenssen, puts it together very nicely with original footage and reports to present a pretty clear picture.
I have noticed for a little while the subtle media gear shift from "originating in Wuhan" to "discovered in Wuhan". Even the FLG's Epoch Times has given up the China Virus jibe!
Seems like a bit of gentle softening up going on before the embarrassing truth is publicly admitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jZXEa-XOVw

I would take this video with a pinch of salt.  It seems to think cases are an indicator that the US did far worse than China, which is nonsense considering the tests are useless at high CT levels.  It seems to promote lockdown, but the reasons are baseless.  The only reasonable thing is the origin of the virus.  Maybe it came from the US, maybe it was deliberately created in China and brought straight to the US, or vice versa, who knows, but it wasn't the official narrative, which is batsh*t crazy.  Whatever it was, I would suggest Bill Gates knows more than he's telling.

[Sampanviking]

It seems more and more "overlooked" evidence of early virus origins are slowly being acknowledged. Cyrus Jenssen, puts it together very nicely with original footage and reports to present a pretty clear picture.
I have noticed for a little while the subtle media gear shift from "originating in Wuhan" to "discovered in Wuhan". Even the FLG's Epoch Times has given up the China Virus jibe!
Seems like a bit of gentle softening up going on before the embarrassing truth is publicly admitted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jZXEa-XOVw

[Sampanviking]

Has China let that WHO team in yet, SPV, or are they still cleaning up all the evidence and disappearing the witnesses?

Have you ever wondered why exactly, Trump so rapidly withdrew the US from the WHO, maybe he was the one that did not want inspectors visiting US sites?
Now Joe "Business as Usual" Biden is rejoining, will a visit to follow up the CDC report be on the cards?

[johnofgwent]

Has China let that WHO team in yet, SPV, or are they still cleaning up all the evidence and disappearing the witnesses?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-covid-wuhan-world-health-organization-allowed-in-probe-coronavirus-origin/


apparently admitted last week 14 jan

[Barry]

Has China let that WHO team in yet, SPV, or are they still cleaning up all the evidence and disappearing the witnesses?

[Sampanviking]

Yes Barry but these are just unsubstantiated claims from the US by people who boast about how they "Lie, Cheat and Steal" so not much credibility.

Far more interesting, based on what we now know from the CDC report, is the growing body of circumstantial evidence (ie actually substantiated cases of unexpected and unexplained flu like symptoms dating back to the summer of 2019) which seem to be pointing more and more at Maryland.

I was going to post on the details, but Nathan Rich has beaten me to me, with a very well laid out video, so you might as well just watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdKI5qOF_a8

[Barry]

US claims Wuhan lab staff Had Covid symptoms earlier than first comfirmed cases
Autumn 2019

[Borg Refinery]

^^^
I was quoting your link. Nowhere does your link, which you cited to support your claim that Covid was in the US in December, actually support your claim — it says it's info suggests the virus was in the US before January 19, 2020.

And he stated "as early as Dec 13th" which was the date the first sample was taken or is that too much for you to understand?

Abstract
Background
SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 disease, was first identified in Wuhan, China in December 2019, with subsequent worldwide spread. The first U.S. cases were identified in January 2020.

Methods
To determine if SARS-CoV-2 reactive antibodies were present in sera prior to the first identified case in the U.S. on January 19, 2020, residual archived samples from 7,389 routine blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from December 13, 2019 to January 17, 2020, from donors resident in nine states (California, Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Oregon, Rhode Island, Washington, and Wisconsin) were tested at CDC for anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. Specimens reactive by pan-immunoglobulin (pan Ig) enzyme linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) against the full spike protein were tested by IgG and IgM ELISAs, microneutralization test, Ortho total Ig S1 ELISA, and receptor binding domain / Ace2 blocking activity assay.

Results
Of the 7,389 samples, 106 were reactive by pan Ig. Of these 106 specimens, 90 were available for further testing. Eighty four of 90 had neutralizing activity, 1 had S1 binding activity, and 1 had receptor binding domain / Ace2 blocking activity >50%, suggesting the presence of anti-SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies. Donations with reactivity occurred in all nine states.

Conclusions
These findings suggest that SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to January 19, 2020

I don't agree with a word Trump and other spam kings come out with at all, but that report is plain as day and you are trolling.

[Sampanviking]

This is to deal with the crux of the matter

First off, the events in Wuhan. I will quote from the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/10/birth-of-a-pandemic-inside-the-first-weeks-of-the-coronavirus-outbreak-in-wuhan

So, in mid-December when Lan, who sold dried seafood at one of more than 1,000 stalls in Huanan, felt unwell, he thought little of it.

He stayed home to rest but after losing 3kg in just a few days, he decided to go to his regular hospital for a check up.

From there he was sent to a hospital that specialises in infectious diseases and was admitted on 19 December. He remembers how the staff praised his positive attitude. "I was just a little bit sick. I wasn't scared in the slightest," said Lan, who asked not to disclose his full name.

Lan could not have known then that he was among the first cases of a new, highly contagious coronavirus that would kill more than 2,500 people in his city

So in mid December there were the first cases of the virus in China and all in the one City of Wuhan, centered at this point on the one district. A fairly small area.

Now from the USCDC report about samples taken in the US in Mid December 2019

Serum specimens were sent to CDC for anti-SARS-CoV-2 testing from 7,389 unique donations (Table). Of these, 106 (1.4%) were confirmed reactive by the pan-Ig S ELISA screen and then a confirmatory assay with background correction (Table). These confirmed reactive sera included 39/1,912 (2.0%) donations collected between December 13-16, 2019, from residents of California (23/1,912)and Oregon or Washington (16/1,912).

So there you are, in Mid December 2019, while the first few cases were being identified in Wuhan, blood samples taken in the US West Coast between Dec 13th - 16th 2019, from California through Oregon and into Washington State were showing Covid 19 antibodies in 2% of the samples. It takes between two to three weeks for antibodies to be produced so these infections arise in early December maybe even late November.

For the China origin claim to be true, it would mean that someone from Wuhan, managed to induce widespread infection throughout the entire population of the US West Coast before spreading the infection to even one more single resident of Wuhan.
As a proposition, this is blatantly absurd!

[patman post]

I've got no interest in supporting Trump or any of his opinions on China and Covid.
I'm not convinced that Covid was manufactured or released intentionally.
I am convinced Covid evolved in China — but none of that matters to me.

My main concern is that the pandemic should be over, with or without the help of China, Russia, or the US. What's needed is relevant, useful correct information from whatever source so we can return to whatever will be normal...

[Sampanviking]

^^^
I was quoting your link. Nowhere does your link, which you cited to support your claim that Covid was in the US in December, actually support your claim — it says it's info suggests the virus was in the US before January 19, 2020.
If you're now rubbishing the authorship of your source material, I suggest you need to do further research...

I think Pat that you have no difficulty in understanding the difference between actual data and political spin put on it by a Trump Administration Policy Wonk, to cover up an inconvenient truth. But don't worry, as soon as I have some time, I will dive into the numbers and bring out the relevant parts, from the guts of the data sets and let them talk for themselves.