Israel at war with Islamic Jihad in Gaza

[Ciaphas]

Situation is a complete mess with blood on the hands of both sides. It doesn't help that Trump is pouring oil on the fire

[Barry]

Yes, I know Israel oppresses Christians, I've been there and seen it for myself in Be'er Sheva.

[Borg Refinery]

You're siding with a ME 'democracy' that has genocide as the objectives of major ministers and politicians.{shrugs}



I support neither side, nor any of the other players in the conflict of which there are many incl Qatar who were surreptitiously funding Hamas.



You're right about all the other stuff, but not siding with Israel. The best we can do is view things as objectively as possible, hope for the best, pray for peace and maybe lobby for peace..idk.



By the way, you know Israel heavily oppresses Christians as well don't you?

[Barry]

It's pretty clear that Israel started and continue this...

Depends how far you want to go back, really.



Man is a warring species and there will never be peace until the end comes. However, sometimes we have to pick a side, as to whether it is Islamic terrorist organisations, or the only Middle East democracy, Israel. It's not that difficult. I'd be so happy if there was peace, but it is not going to happen, is it?

[Borg Refinery]

That's such a misrepresentation.



Jeez, even an ex-IDF Gen admits that they funded them & wanted them to fight each other; to oppress and weaken each other; the powerful commie terrorists who stole airplanes and other such needed to be gotten rid of.



It is disgusting and wrong and I think you know it... that IDF Gen wrote about it in haaretz but the same things are said in at least 2 of those articles...



In my humble opinion, a 2 state solution is needed and the electorate mostly agrees, hence why they gave that genocide-loving criminal Bibi a good kicking at the polls.



My 1st post surely adequately illustrates Israeli govt support for genocide against the Palestinians. Now, that doesn't excuse Hamas for their genocidal anti-semitism either; but Israel have all the power -and the innocent civilians in Gaza are often the targets of IL aggression.



It's pretty clear that Israel started and continue this...

[Barry]

Yes, Dynamis, it's all part of the land for peace experiment, isn't it? Sharon gave up Gaza in return for peace and got rockets instead.

[Borg Refinery]

Four more Gaza "civilians" lost their lives launching rockets today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJMmDXeWoAM4dKu?format=png&name=small">

Is it only OK to retaliate at the time an attack is taking place, or is it OK to kill the ringleader after he has fired dozens of rockets indiscriminately into Israel?

So you'll ignore the tangible evidence that both sides, nay, all sides are equally culpable & corrupt in this conflict..



I'm sure this will resonate well with you too.... not that you are likely to bother checking the links as your opinion seems firmly set and nothing could possibly change your mind...



All pro-Israeli sources like in my earlier post - so they are indisputable.



https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-israels-own-creation/">https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-i ... -creation/">https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/hamas-israels-own-creation/



https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847">https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... ate-hamas/">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/?



https://www.wrmea.org/002-november/israel-created-two-of-its-own-worst-enemies-hamas-and-hezbollah.html">https://www.wrmea.org/002-november/isra ... ollah.html">https://www.wrmea.org/002-november/israel-created-two-of-its-own-worst-enemies-hamas-and-hezbollah.html



And Fatah..



https://www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-east-news/palestinians/fatah-asked-israel-to-help-attack-hamas-during-gaza-coup-1.5096109">https://www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-east ... -1.5096109">https://www.haaretz.com/amp/middle-east-news/palestinians/fatah-asked-israel-to-help-attack-hamas-during-gaza-coup-1.5096109



Fatah too was a puppeteer movement; except it still 100% is unlike many of the elements in the terroristic Hamas.



Feel free to skip over this post as well. {shrugs} Ypur opinion is your own..

[Barry]

Four more Gaza "civilians" lost their lives launching rockets today.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJMmDXeWoAM4dKu?format=png&name=small">

Is it only OK to retaliate at the time an attack is taking place, or is it OK to kill the ringleader after he has fired dozens of rockets indiscriminately into Israel?

[Borg Refinery]

These are the equally nice beliefs of the Israeli govt on the other side...

"A senior Israeli politician has called for the "conquest of the entire Gaza Strip" and the deportation of Palestinians to make way for Jewish settlers. Moshe Feiglin, the Deputy Speaker of the Knesset and a member of the governing Likud party, outlined his plans in an open letter to Benjamin Netanyahu published on Facebook.



Writing last week after the reported abduction of an Israeli soldier Hadar Goldin, he called on the Prime Minister to vastly increase the aggression of Operation Protective Edge, which has already killed more than 1,800 Palestinians and destroyed thousands of homes.



Demanding the end to the two-state solution, Mr Feiglin called for the "annihilation" of Hamas and its supporters and the creation of camps where civilians from Gaza will be "concentrated" until they can be deported to other countries."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-conflict-right-wing-israeli-politician-calls-for-gazans-to-be-concentrated-in-camps-and-9649103.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 49103.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-conflict-right-wing-israeli-politician-calls-for-gazans-to-be-concentrated-in-camps-and-9649103.html



"If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?"



https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/57000">https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/57000



"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists. They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists. ...



[The terrorists] are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there." - Israeli Justice Minister



https://www.haaretz.com/amp/.premium-what-does-ayelet-shaked-really-think-about-arabs-1.5360885">https://www.haaretz.com/amp/.premium-wh ... -1.5360885">https://www.haaretz.com/amp/.premium-what-does-ayelet-shaked-really-think-about-arabs-1.5360885



"A terrorist, like those who kidnapped the boys [in the West Bank on June 12] and killed them, the only thing that will deter them, is if they know that either their sister or mother will be raped if they are caught. What can we do? This is the culture that we live in."



https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/2014/07/rape-gaza-201473114415929540.html">https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/o ... 29540.html">https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/2014/07/rape-gaza-201473114415929540.html



Times Of Israel Publishes Op-Eds Calling For Genocide Of Palestinians the deletes it



https://twitter.com/indy100/status/495249964101271552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E495249964101271552&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23495249964101271552">https://twitter.com/indy100/status/4952 ... 4101271552">https://twitter.com/indy100/status/495249964101271552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E495249964101271552&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23495249964101271552



And..



'Ayelet Shaked is a member of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party and justice minister'



: "They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists . . . are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists."



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140729-israels-new-hate-paradigm-the-institutionalization-of-terror/amp/">https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middle ... error/amp/">https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140729-israels-new-hate-paradigm-the-institutionalization-of-terror/amp/

[Barry]

[Barry]

This could well escalate as Iran are behind Islamic Jihad and they won't take kindly to their terrorist leaders being taken out.

https://www.debka.com/israel-is-at-war-with-islamic-jihad-tehran-weighs-opening-northern-fronts-as-punishment-for-al-atta-killing/">//https://www.debka.com/israel-is-at-war-with-islamic-jihad-tehran-weighs-opening-northern-fronts-as-punishment-for-al-atta-killing/

160 rockets have been fired from Gaza today, 60 of them intercepted by Iron Dome.