Keir Starmer’s Unionism… Keeping the Orange Flag Flying Here –

Started by Thomas, September 18, 2021, 05:17:38 PM

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The people's flag is palest pink
It's not the colour you might think
White collar workers stand and cheer
The Labour government is here
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Sheepy

Quote from: Thomas on September 19, 2021, 04:35:46 PM
int it funny how i seem to post more about irish issues o this site than our on supposed irishman in dublin  :D
Well, he didn't have much to say about the Irish smashing up Dublin over the government being tyrannical. But then I cannot say I was that surprised. He doesn't have much of a world view on things.
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

Thomas

Quote from: Sheepy on September 19, 2021, 02:29:31 PM
A bit deep for our esteemed readers Thomas. Starmer is going to reach out wherever the Labour party think tank tell him he might get some votes.

int it funny how i seem to post more about irish issues o this site than our on supposed irishman in dublin  :D
An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t-Saoghail!

Sheepy

Quote from: Thomas on September 18, 2021, 05:17:38 PM
Keir Starmer's Unionism... Keeping the Orange Flag Flying Here –

Keir Starmer is a Northern Ireland unionist. This, he proclaimed with some gusto when he visited the six north-eastern counties of Ireland last week.

Speaking to BBC Northern Ireland, Starmer was questioned by political editor Enda McClafferty on what his stance will be should the north decide to vote on a border poll.

"I respect the principle that the decision, in the end, is for the people of the island of Ireland," Starmer said, but then went on to declare, "I personally, as leader of the Labour Party, believe in the United Kingdom strongly, and would want to make the case for a United Kingdom strongly and will be doing that."

McClafferty pressed the Labour leader further, asking him to clarify whether he would remain neutral during a border poll, or that instead would he be "very much on the side of Unionists, arguing for Northern Ireland to remain in the UK", even if he were Prime Minister at the time. Starmer repeated his assertion that "I believe in the United Kingdom, and I will make the case for a United Kingdom."

He also told the Irish Times:

"Obviously, there is more discussion now about a border poll than there was some years ago. I think it is not in sight, frankly, and the obvious priority at the moment, particularly coming out of the pandemic, is the economy, health and education and longer-term issues. These are very important priorities and I think a border poll is not in sight. It is not in sight as far as I am concerned."

So, there we have it. The Irish should not concern themselves with their country's self-determination, they are unlikely to be permitted to have a referendum and if this somehow does occur and Keir Starmer is prime minister, he will join the Orange Order, the DUP and all other Northern Irish unionist in campaigning against Irish unity.

This is unconditional unionism and let us be clear of its significance. This was never the policy of Jeremy Corbyn. It was never the policy of Tony Blair. During Neil Kinnock's leadership, the Labour Party,  agreed a policy a policy of being "persuaders for Irish unity", due to rank-and-file pressure from within the party.  As for Harold Wilson, he at one stage he even proposed a 15 point plan for British withdrawal from Northern Ireland.

https://labouroutlook.org/2021/07/23/keir-starmers-unionism-keeping-the-orange-flag-flying-here/
A bit deep for our esteemed readers Thomas. Starmer is going to reach out wherever the Labour party think tank tell him he might get some votes.
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

Thomas

Keir Starmer's Unionism... Keeping the Orange Flag Flying Here –

Keir Starmer is a Northern Ireland unionist. This, he proclaimed with some gusto when he visited the six north-eastern counties of Ireland last week.

Speaking to BBC Northern Ireland, Starmer was questioned by political editor Enda McClafferty on what his stance will be should the north decide to vote on a border poll.

"I respect the principle that the decision, in the end, is for the people of the island of Ireland," Starmer said, but then went on to declare, "I personally, as leader of the Labour Party, believe in the United Kingdom strongly, and would want to make the case for a United Kingdom strongly and will be doing that."

McClafferty pressed the Labour leader further, asking him to clarify whether he would remain neutral during a border poll, or that instead would he be "very much on the side of Unionists, arguing for Northern Ireland to remain in the UK", even if he were Prime Minister at the time. Starmer repeated his assertion that "I believe in the United Kingdom, and I will make the case for a United Kingdom."

He also told the Irish Times:

"Obviously, there is more discussion now about a border poll than there was some years ago. I think it is not in sight, frankly, and the obvious priority at the moment, particularly coming out of the pandemic, is the economy, health and education and longer-term issues. These are very important priorities and I think a border poll is not in sight. It is not in sight as far as I am concerned."

So, there we have it. The Irish should not concern themselves with their country's self-determination, they are unlikely to be permitted to have a referendum and if this somehow does occur and Keir Starmer is prime minister, he will join the Orange Order, the DUP and all other Northern Irish unionist in campaigning against Irish unity.

This is unconditional unionism and let us be clear of its significance. This was never the policy of Jeremy Corbyn. It was never the policy of Tony Blair. During Neil Kinnock's leadership, the Labour Party,  agreed a policy a policy of being "persuaders for Irish unity", due to rank-and-file pressure from within the party.  As for Harold Wilson, he at one stage he even proposed a 15 point plan for British withdrawal from Northern Ireland.

https://labouroutlook.org/2021/07/23/keir-starmers-unionism-keeping-the-orange-flag-flying-here/
An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t-Saoghail!