Really? Will the Scots stand for it?

[Thomas]

I might have done at the start but it soon became clear that, as junior partners, the Lib Dems wouldn't have much influence and yet it would also have been wrong if they became the tail wagging the dog like the DUP had did recently. With hindsight the mistake was agreeing to a fixed 5-year coalition, right up to the next election. This was electoral suicide for the Lib Dems. If the coalition was popular the Tories would get all the credit, if it was unpopular the Tories and the Lib Dems would both pay the price. It was a lose-lose scenario for the Lib Dems. The Lib Dems needed a means of rocking the boat and forcing an election well before the full term, and Clegg signed that away. In the end David Cameron paid more attention to UKIP, which had no elected MPs, than he did to the Lib Dems.

I dont think it was quackers.In my personal opinion as neither a supporter of either british party , the lib dem tory coalition government was probaly the best uk government ( aye and i know the bar is low) in my lifetime , certainly in recent years.

Nick clegg was simply too nice a guy and politically naive , and the tories made mincement of him.

The libs could easily have survived the coaltion , but the main issue that sticks in voters minds was obviously the sell out by clegg over tuition fees and the farce of the AV referendum .

So im not sure it was a lose lose situation , more like clegg naively shot himself in both feet , and the rest went downhill from there.

[HDQQ]

I thought you supported clegg going into coaltion with cameron at the time for "the countries sake" ?

I might have done at the start but it soon became clear that, as junior partners, the Lib Dems wouldn't have much influence and yet it would also have been wrong if they became the tail wagging the dog like the DUP had did recently. With hindsight the mistake was agreeing to a fixed 5-year coalition, right up to the next election. This was electoral suicide for the Lib Dems. If the coalition was popular the Tories would get all the credit, if it was unpopular the Tories and the Lib Dems would both pay the price. It was a lose-lose scenario for the Lib Dems. The Lib Dems needed a means of rocking the boat and forcing an election well before the full term, and Clegg signed that away. In the end David Cameron paid more attention to UKIP, which had no elected MPs, than he did to the Lib Dems.

[Thomas]

My 'old' party - exactly. Everyone knows why the Lib Dems are so low in the opinion polls. It's not because they supported 'remain', it's not because they are liberal and/or democratic, it can't be because Corbyn attracted their supporters to Labour, it can't even be because of Jo Swinson. It's because Nick Clegg gave our votes to the Tories.

I thought you supported clegg going into coaltion with cameron at the time for "the countries sake" ?

To be fair quackers i personally thought the coaltion government was one of the better yookay governments of my lifetime. Nick clegg was a nice enough person as a politician , but totally out of his depth in dealing with the conservatives. The way he was mauled over the AV referendum , not to mention tuition fees , all for a wee bit of power was laughable.

Jo swinson was another muppet out of her depth , full of her own self importance , and we  took care of her for you. Her problem in scotland was similar to yours.....her impractical and delusional stance on referendums , so she paid the price for her folly.

So are you partyless now quacky , is that what you are saying? Or has Ed tempted you back into the fold?

[HDQQ]

i see your old party the limp dems are down to 6 % of the constituency vote in scotland now quackers.?

My 'old' party - exactly. Everyone knows why the Lib Dems are so low in the opinion polls. It's not because they supported 'remain', it's not because they are liberal and/or democratic, it can't be because Corbyn attracted their supporters to Labour, it can't even be because of Jo Swinson. It's because Nick Clegg gave our votes to the Tories.

[Thomas]

[Thomas]

I rather like the idea of being able to change one's gender on a daily basis.

i see your old party the limp dems are down to 6 % of the constituency vote in scotland now quackers.?

I dont know about changing gender quackers , but i tell you , you need to up your game and change your ideas. What with brexit and everything else you seem to be right in a minority opinion on everything as well as getting everything wrong on a daily basis.

If you support it , it probably means it isnt going to happen knowing your track record.

[HDQQ]

I rather like the idea of being able to change one's gender on a daily basis.

[Borchester]

There seems to be a wee clique at the top of the snp who are obsessed with trans issues , and appear to have strong links to americas democrats.

Not gone down well at all toots , and sturgeons infamy grows daily among the yes camp.

I suspect your union is safe in sturgeons hands .

Dunno.

The thing about Mrs May was not that she tried to reverse Brexit, but how far she got before being given the boot.

As long as little Nick waves the saltire and cries damnation to the bastard English, her and independence are in with a chance.

[Thomas]

It is reported today that Scotland's Education secretary has advised schools - even infant schools - that children can choose their gender as young as 4 without informing their parents! Wow! They can choose whichever toilets they wish,  change their names etc etc.

I'm speechless...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9888899/Scotland-let-pupils-aged-FOUR-change-gender.html

There seems to be a wee clique at the top of the snp who are obsessed with trans issues , and appear to have strong links to americas democrats.

Not gone down well at all toots , and sturgeons infamy grows daily among the yes camp.

I suspect your union is safe in sturgeons hands .

[johnofgwent]

I guess the national dress being a pleated tartan skirt has had a part to play in this.


On the other hand, the Greek tutu-clad ceremonial soldiers have probably been toughened up by years of ribbing by tourists...

Next time Scotland plays Wales, come down to Queen St and say that


I'll sell tickets


Actually they will sell better than match tickets

[patman post]

I guess the national dress being a pleated tartan skirt has had a part to play in this.


On the other hand, the Greek tutu-clad ceremonial soldiers have probably been toughened up by years of ribbing by tourists...

[T00ts]

If the Scots do this and really stick with it then we had better start building because parents with school age children will be fast moving South.  @Thomas

[johnofgwent]

Deliberately seeking out the views of the bent woke on this ...

I found THIS

https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/scottish-government-issue-new-guidelines-on-supporting-trans-children-in-schools/


Which includes a link here


https://www.gov.scot/publications/supporting-transgender-young-people-schools-guidance-scottish-schools/


I read it all


It quite clearly states it applies from primary age.


It also categorically states the teachers are required to support children under 16 whose parents or guardians might have a quite different opinion.


Excuse me, I need to go vomit


And I say that as a battle hardened medical biochemist who saw his first traumatic decapitation at the age of 14.

[Borchester]

It is reported today that Scotland's Education secretary has advised schools - even infant schools - that children can choose their gender as young as 4 without informing their parents! Wow! They can choose whichever toilets they wish,  change their names etc etc.

I'm speechless...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9888899/Scotland-let-pupils-aged-FOUR-change-gender.html

Sounds iffy.

From what I can gather, Wee Krankie is a bit right on (is there a Scottish version of Islington?), but I think we should wait on the report from our correspondent north of the border. Actually, I think we might wait on the comments of Mrs Thomas and Mrs Morayloon. If they are easy on the matter then it is just another shock, horror story from the Mail. If they ain't, well, it could be fun.

[T00ts]

It is reported today that Scotland's Education secretary has advised schools - even infant schools - that children can choose their gender as young as 4 without informing their parents! Wow! They can choose whichever toilets they wish,  change their names etc etc.

I'm speechless...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9888899/Scotland-let-pupils-aged-FOUR-change-gender.html