Universal Credit problem

[papasmurf]

What did I say (word for word), cause you don't seem able to link to it.

That is because it was deleted.  It was an extremely nasty snobbish, classist personal attack. Don't try and state you have forgotten it.

[papasmurf]

Yes but there is a difference between duty of care and sugar daddy.


My perception of you is based on your posts, how could it not be.
Maybe you should think about that!!

It is your attitude that effects your perception.
The government wants to upskill the workforce, you appear to want to prevent that.
Just how does cutting someone's benefits when they go on a training course help that government mission statement?
A wide range of the current job vacancies that cannot be filled is because of the need for training/education/certification/qualification/licencing.
The cost of that ranges from £5 to £3000/£4000 and at the high end of cost may involve residential courses of several years.
Few people out of work can afford £3000/£4000
If people are prevented from gaining any of those, the vacancies will remain unfilled and people will remain unemployed.

Make your mind up.

[johnofgwent]

Yes but there is a difference between duty of care and sugar daddy.

The problem i perceived when Gordon Bropwn ran the shower at the treasury is he deliberately made it so hard to get right none of his peope did. Dad died before they sorted out his pension credit, they fucked up our tax credit when i was earning shit all waiting for the cataract surgery, and no fucking apology. No sir no way.

And I have a letter here from elaine carey (a name you might recall if you've been in the game as long as me) that actually states and i quote "the taxpayers charter statement that we shall treat all taxpayers with equal fairness does NOT mean that two people in the same circumstances are liable to pay the same amount of tax" well F@@@ me who would have known that

[Nick]

The government does have a duty of care of all it's citizens.

Yes but there is a difference between duty of care and sugar daddy.

Also I think nothing like your very wrong perception of me and frankly I have getting fed up with it.

My perception of you is based on your posts, how could it not be.
Maybe you should think about that!!

[Barry]

Plus, if this bloke had a job in Japan but had to sign on in the UK, one is inclined to wonder how much good he was in the Land of the Rising Sun

How kind.
Apparently losing his job and returning to the UK was all as a result of the Chinese cough. The rest is history waiting to be written.

[Borchester]

What they mean is they are not prepared to pay the money his experience commands when they will not use most of the stuff he can do.

Plus, if this bloke had a job in Japan but had to sign on in the UK, one is inclined to wonder how much good he was in the Land of the Rising Sun

[Nick]

That comment you made about me during the comments about Wagyu beef was disgusting you put to be ashamed of yourself.)

What did I say (word for word), cause you don't seem able to link to it.

[Barry]

There are live links at this link with relevant information.
https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Training-courses-Universal-Credit

That's a very useful link. Thank you I have passed it on.

[papasmurf]

The thing you don't seem to get is that it isn't the governments responsibility to fund people through their lives.
You seem to think it's someone's God given right to get benefits and it isn't, it's supposed to be a safety net when someone falls on hard times, to be paid back through taxes when they get a job.
So if people have to jump through hoops then so be it.

The government does have a duty of care of all it's citizens. Also I think nothing like your very wrong perception of me and frankly I have getting fed up with it.
Two charities I am a member of have got more disabled people into work than the DWP.
Nick claimants did not make the regulations. Frankly you typify what is wrong with Tories.
(That comment you made about me during the comments about Wagyu beef was disgusting you put to be ashamed of yourself.)

[Nick]

Never believe a word the DWP tells you. You need to present them with chapter and verse from their own regulations then they usually back down.
There are live links at this link with relevant information.
https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Training-courses-Universal-Credit

The thing you don't seem to get is that it isn't the governments responsibility to fund people through their lives.
You seem to think it's someone's God given right to get benefits and it isn't, it's supposed to be a safety net when someone falls on hard times, to be paid back through taxes when they get a job.
So if people have to jump through hoops then so be it.

[Nick]

but they say he is over-qualified

What they mean is they are not prepared to pay the money his experience commands when they will not use most of the stuff he can do.

[papasmurf]

They tell him that if he goes into training on a course, he loses his UC, which seems wrong.

Never believe a word the DWP tells you. You need to present them with chapter and verse from their own regulations then they usually back down.
There are live links at this link with relevant information.
https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Training-courses-Universal-Credit

[Barry]

On another forum I inhabit, a guy I met has posted that his son, who must be in his forties has recently returned from Japan and is trained in some IT related area, but cannot get a job in the UK. He has been put on UC and keeps applying for jobs, but they say he is over-qualified, which is an odd form of discrimination.
He has told the DSS that he wants to do a course to lead to a job in a slightly different area of work.
They tell him that if he goes into training on a course, he loses his UC, which seems wrong.
I'm no expert on benefits, but we seem to have a guy here who is fluent in IT and has work skills and cannot be retrained due to the dreaded system.
Any thoughts? Don't ask me for extra details it is all I know, except that I suggested he contact his MP, who has replied saying the system is illogical, or something like that.