Return of Tony Blair?

[Good old]

Yes both main parties are now so establishmentarian that if you want meaningful change a vote for either is a wasted vote.

That might be true, but every  political movement brings another slant on establishment, which in turn can only exist if it's will over rides the peoples. And all the time it's money that controls the whole situation. Even China, has had to embrace its big C, capitalists.while it peoples party controls its peoples every move.

[Borchester]

Yes both main parties are now so establishmentarian that if you want meaningful change a vote for either is a wasted vote.

That is ok by me. As I have said ad nauseam, keep us out of the EU and maybe nationalise dwarf throwing and I could not give a stuff.

Meaningful change is just code for some low grade incompetent to look meaningfully into the distance, speak of his dream of what should be and then put a shilling on the income tax

[srb7677]

So, in other words, they all say the same things although they use different words and don't mean a word of it. Now we are getting somewhere good old.

Yes both main parties are now so establishmentarian that if you want meaningful change a vote for either is a wasted vote.

[Sheepy]

Well I have never been totally removed from your view of things sheep,. Where I differ is that , One side is Big C. And will only ever be that. The other at least tries to use tools at its disposal ,which are limited , to try and manipulate the situation created by big C. 
It's the answer to all of this that I don't think we possess. Even revolution  is invariably , soon overtaken by rigid control of the plebs, with the full support of the Big C.

Funny old world ain't it, first they spit in your face, then when it all goes bottom up, they want our help. 

[Good old]

So, in other words, they all say the same things although they use different words and don't mean a word of it. Now we are getting somewhere good old.

Well I have never been totally removed from your view of things sheep,. Where I differ is that , One side is Big C. And will only ever be that. The other at least tries to use tools at its disposal ,which are limited , to try and manipulate the situation created by big C.  
It's the answer to all of this that I don't think we possess. Even revolution  is invariably , soon overtaken by rigid control of the plebs, with the full support of the Big C.

[Sheepy]

As an individual Blair, doesn't come into it. The political landscape has changed that's obvious, but the realities remain the same if you really don't want to be ruled by the Tory party. The reality being , it's a two party system , if either of the two main parties fragment ,they are wasting their time.
The only place disenchanted Tories ever run to is the middle ground. If Labour can not appear to offer it. Then Thomas, would be right, much as it hurts, some chance becomes no chance,  because only with all of those small c Tories on board will you be able to dent the big C Tories.  And until you have revolution, the big C will always be in place no matter who it is  thinks they govern.

So, in other words, they all say the same things although they use different words and don't mean a word of it. Now we are getting somewhere good old. 

[Good old]

Well therein lies their problem. Most of them have retreated into a timewarp dated 1997. They are reacting as if the political realities of 1997 remain true today. With such a mindset they probably regard Blair as an asset, . As a vote winner.

As an individual Blair, doesn't come into it. The political landscape has changed that's obvious, but the realities remain the same if you really don't want to be ruled by the Tory party. The reality being , it's a two party system , if either of the two main parties fragment ,they are wasting their time. 
The only place disenchanted Tories ever run to is the middle ground. If Labour can not appear to offer it. Then Thomas, would be right, much as it hurts, some chance becomes no chance,  because only with all of those small c Tories on board will you be able to dent the big C Tories.  And until you have revolution, the big C will always be in place no matter who it is  thinks they govern. 

[srb7677]

In my opinion though , not even labour or tony are that daft....are they?

Well therein lies their problem. Most of them have retreated into a timewarp dated 1997. They are reacting as if the political realities of 1997 remain true today. With such a mindset they probably regard Blair as an asset, . As a vote winner.

[srb7677]

Yesterday's man, a man who since leaving office has amassed as much baggage as Corbyn but of a much less principled nature - eg taking money for political advice from dictators known to have had opponents boiled alive - and who has succeeded in being hated and distrusted by both left and right alike, is never going to be able to make a viable front stage political comeback. So for now he is simply pulling the strings of Starmer. 

[Thomas]

What on earth is this thread all about? If Blair, was so bad ,and so resented?  As I say to Toots ,calm. I only wonder why she or anyone else with no regard what so ever for Blair, should be so switched on by some , more than erratic character , writing in Tory rag, that Blair is going to rise again. Frightened and shadows maybe.

You seem to be repeating this same mantra recently that if people discuss something it means they are frightened of it. It can be a number of things including general interest , or in blairs case loathing and hate.

Tony blairs legacy is ashes.

Of course labour supporters , right on cue hate any scrutiny of past actions , so as we have come to expect try and shut down debate by screaming we are all in fear of tony.

Frightened and shadows? More like praying and hopefull  i think. Blairs world of yesterday is long gone , never to return , and i for one hope to hell labour and he are daft enough to try and resurrect his ego from whatever pit it resides in .In my opinion though , not even labour or tony are that daft....are they?

[cromwell]

What on earth is this thread all about? If Blair, was so bad ,and so resented?  As I say to Toots ,calm. I only wonder why she or anyone else with no regard what so ever for Blair, should be so switched on by some , more than erratic character , writing in Tory rag, that Blair is going to rise again. Frightened and shadows maybe.

Frightened of Bliar,give over.

Its based on his actions mainly I gave up on l

[Good old]

No he bloody well won't,despite it being Christmas I wish he would retreat in to the cellar of his bloody foundation and stfu.

Nowt but anything other than a smug,oily,self righteous,self serving arse.

What on earth is this thread all about? If Blair, was so bad ,and so resented?  As I say to Toots ,calm. I only wonder why she or anyone else with no regard what so ever for Blair, should be so switched on by some , more than erratic character , writing in Tory rag, that Blair is going to rise again. Frightened and shadows maybe.

[papasmurf]

 Both papers are seriously undervalued.

The truth and both those newspapers are strangers.

[johnofgwent]

I have just read an article proclaiming that Tony Blair in all his statesman like glory may well be standing in the wings ready to make a comeback.

It is true that he has been much more quiet lately and known for his behind the scenes dealing would it be possible to see the rise again of this answer to so many Labour dreams? Just as the Conservatives are cheerfully careering into a brick wall of their own making in a bid to join those of the opposition in the rubble, is dear Tony hoping, Messiah like, to rise again?

I made a comment earlier that in the void created in Westminster by inadequate, unopposed mediocrity on all sides there could be a highly unsuitable leader suddenly in No10.

One wonders where you read it. Is the Tony Blair Appreciation Society Blog still running ? Wherever else would such utter rot be published ? 

[Thomas]

It would be a massive betrayal after so many years trying to recover from Tony's last reign, but we have to remember that Brown got in the way for a bit to be followed by Cameron who tried to be Blair's clone in some ways. As said above Blair has been pulling strings ever since Westminster applauded his departure - although I bet he didn't see it that way.

I just wonder what is on Tony's Santa list of requests and if keys to No 10 are included. After all he has hoped for President of the EU and failed, World leader and failed, Peer of the realm and failed perhaps he feels another crack at PM would be enough for, at the very least, a Peerage next time, but better still UK President. Him becoming PM again might just finish the poor Queen off.

i think tonys ego seems to be far bigger than tonys electoral appeal toots.

If the labour party are now turning back to blair to save them , the penny must have finally dropped on starmer being a electoral liability.