Russia and the Ukraine

[Sheepy]

Not much point putting Good Old on the international board of diplomacy then. 

[Good old]

Vladimir Putin accuses West of luring Moscow to Ukraine war as ambassador says British diplomacy 'worthless' (msn.com)
Well, he ain't wrong is he? best settle your differences with Ukraine rather than let a bunch of rank amateurs behind the scenes do it for you then Vlad.

He comes to the border with his henchmen , armed to the teeth. Yet still needs excuses . International thuggery reduced to the values of playground bullying. " Yer go on stand up to me and I will kick your head in.  Give me what I want or else you have asked for it. So this is all your own fault.". "Learn .. I ask, you give or else".

[Sheepy]

Vladimir Putin accuses West of luring Moscow to Ukraine war as ambassador says British diplomacy 'worthless' (msn.com)
Well, he ain't wrong is he? best settle your differences with Ukraine rather than let a bunch of rank amateurs behind the scenes do it for you then Vlad. 

[Sheepy]

Yes, Sheepy, now where did I read that sleepy Joe says to expect an invasion soon. Depending on the hardness of the ice.

"Our Western partners talk about the need for de-escalation, but first of all themselves ramp up tension with their rhetoric and provoke an escalation. Talk about an impending war is provocative in itself," Nebenzia said, accusing the West of seeking to spark a conflict between Russia and Ukraine.

LOL open invitation.

[Sheepy]

I think the ground froze solid from November onwards. Its just more confused bs from the Whitehouse.
The trouble of course with crying wolf........

Which the Americans will say are all hush, hush sanctions, the Russians will say we know what they are anyway and Boris the patsy will look like Nulands puppy. 

[Sampanviking]

Yes, Sheepy, now where did I read that sleepy Joe says to expect an invasion soon. Depending on the hardness of the ice.

I think the ground froze solid from November onwards. Its just more confused bs from the Whitehouse.
The trouble of course with crying wolf........

[Sheepy]

UK PM Johnson will tell Russia's Putin to "step back from the brink" (msn.com)
Which Vlad will kindly thank him for his advice, tell him if there are plenty of other places, he can invest his roubles put the phone down and think what is that crank talking about if I want Joe Bidens string pullers advice, I will ask them directly?

[Sheepy]

Yes, Sheepy, now where did I read that sleepy Joe says to expect an invasion soon. Depending on the hardness of the ice.

The Ukraine President is a rank amateur Barry who has put himself between the big dogs, as I said Vlad has an open invitation just as well have put it in big letters and he really does have plenty of weapons of mass destruction. 

[Barry]

US and Nato have ignored Russia's main demands, says Putin amid fears of 'fully-fledged invasion of Ukraine' (msn.com)
Barry loves a bit of fresh news,

Yes, Sheepy, now where did I read that sleepy Joe says to expect an invasion soon. Depending on the hardness of the ice.

[Sheepy]

US and Nato have ignored Russia's main demands, says Putin amid fears of 'fully-fledged invasion of Ukraine' (msn.com)
Barry loves a bit of fresh news,

[Thomas]

Ukraine isn't the West

America is failing to learn the lessons of the Cold War

In February 2014 a US-backed neo-nationalist and virulently anti-Russia government came to power in Kiev, raising the security stakes immeasurably. State Department documents from the preceding years, published by WikiLeaks in 2011, show the US ambassador in Kiev insisting that Ukraine wanted Nato. The idea was fanciful: there is no single desire among the Ukrainian people for either the West or Russia. Even today, after the seizure of Crimea and the slow burn civil war in the eastern region of Donbas, 30 to 40 per cent of Ukrainians support closer relations with Moscow.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ukraine-isn-t-the-west

[Thomas]

There are two red lines for Russia
1) Ukraine joins NATO
2) The Ukrainian Army attacks the break away republics

Until either of these happen, there will be no Invasion
Nor does Russia need too, The Ukrainian economy is tanking and prolonged talk by the US/UK about impending Invasion and War is driving this tanking.
Nobody wants to invest in Ukraine and nobody wants to risk buying Ukrainian State Debt (except at usurious and unsustainable rates).
The EU has just to throw 1.2 Billion Euros at the Ukraine and a good part of the low Gas Reserves in Europe this year (despite it being a mild winter so far) seems to be due to the EU pumping its own Gas to the Ukraine, which cannot afford to pay Russia for its own supply.

None of this is really being helped by the Ukraine being increasingly armed by the West, a move that will simply invite similar moves by Russia to the militias in the Donbass.

I would say that Ukraine is on the brink of total Balkanisation and Putin is happy to wait and watch and pick up those pieces in the Russian speaking East and South that then turn to Russia for help and protection.

i have been reading a few of craig murrays tweets on the ukraine situation , and it makes very interesting reading.

For example , i didnt know ukraine actively celebrate and historically participated in the holocaust , and that many ukrainian regiments use nazi symbolism?

[Streetwalker]

Its not as if we were not given the heads up 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNsXEu8ljM

[Sheepy]

See I told you I wasn't telling them anything they didn't already know; Vlad got his demands sent back with thanks but no thanks. The media just cottoned on.

Now they reckon if we don't do something about it they will flood the place with refugees, what's new they never did a thing for the last 5 decades about it so I won't be expecting them doing anything about it in future. 

[Sheepy]

There are two red lines for Russia
1) Ukraine joins NATO
2) The Ukrainian Army attacks the break away republics

Until either of these happen, there will be no Invasion
Nor does Russia need too, The Ukrainian economy is tanking and prolonged talk by the US/UK about impending Invasion and War is driving this tanking.
Nobody wants to invest in Ukraine and nobody wants to risk buying Ukrainian State Debt (except at usurious and unsustainable rates).
The EU has just to throw 1.2 Billion Euros at the Ukraine and a good part of the low Gas Reserves in Europe this year (despite it being a mild winter so far) seems to be due to the EU pumping its own Gas to the Ukraine, which cannot afford to pay Russia for its own supply.

None of this is really being helped by the Ukraine being increasingly armed by the West, a move that will simply invite similar moves by Russia to the militias in the Donbass.

I would say that Ukraine is on the brink of total Balkanisation and Putin is happy to wait and watch and pick up those pieces in the Russian speaking East and South that then turn to Russia for help and protection.

See I told you I wasn't telling them anything they didn't already know; Vlad got his demands sent back with thanks but no thanks. The media just cottoned on.