Russian Vs Western Censorship And Propaganda

[Sampanviking]

As it appears to be a Political Beauty contest for the West, here are feelings of love, peace and fellowship from Miss USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927i2HAgxms

[johnofgwent]

That's not how it works — eg, you can be found guilty multiple time of driving while under the influence and disqualified and, despite never having an accident, you can still be imprisoned.

Why?

Because in 1964 some ass hole persuaded the Dept of Transport there was a direct link between blood alcohol level and impairment of ability when the reality is that is is the first level metabolic product of alcohol, ethanal or acetaldehyde to give it it's old fashioned name which actually causes the impairment, but despite having been told that multiple times the Home Office choose to ignore the facts 

[Sampanviking]

Two narratives run side by side in the same video
One from an Ultranationalist Azov commander in Mariupol and the other from actual residents who managed to get out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3dv8Xxo0-Q&t=469s

[Sampanviking]

Bloody hell it's doberman out of the sgt Bilko show.

https://youtu.be/mYXVKXDjw60

Yes Cromwell, he is not beautiful, but he is there, at the front, where the real action is, unlike the BBC
He also talks to real people, in situ and not regime Stooges in Lvov.

[Sheepy]

Sad news that the highly respected and Independent ASB Military News, no longer feels able to continue coverage of the Ukrainian WAR.
you can read it in their own words here:
https://t.me/asbmil/868

Dunno, but the western media is as usual writing some very crazy shit, Lithium sales must be through the roof. 

[cromwell]

According to the BBC maps. The Donetsk town of Volnovakha is still under Ukrainian control
Here is a video from 10 days ago with the same reporter who is now with DPR forces in Mariupol, being with some of the first DPT forces to retake Volnovakha on March 11th/12th
He walks around and talks to residents and you can here what they have to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

Bloody hell it's doberman out of the sgt Bilko show.

https://youtu.be/mYXVKXDjw60

[Sampanviking]

Sad news that the highly respected and Independent ASB Military News, no longer feels able to continue coverage of the Ukrainian WAR.
you can read it in their own words here:
https://t.me/asbmil/868

[Scott777]

That's not how it works — eg, you can be found guilty multiple time of driving while under the influence and disqualified and, despite never having an accident, you can still be imprisoned.

Why?

It's thought you are a danger of causing death or injury by doing what's proscribed by law...

It's a good point, but not quite the same.  Drink driving is a danger.  But in the court case, they said it could not have prejudiced the trial.  Drink driving could cause an accident, it's unpredictable.

[patman post]

The question is not about it being ok.  It's about whether that warrants prison, given that it did not prejudice the trial.

That's not how it works — eg, you can be found guilty multiple time of driving while under the influence and disqualified and, despite never having an accident, you can still be imprisoned. 

Why?

It's thought you are a danger of causing death or injury by doing what's proscribed by law...

[Scott777]

He lived streamed images of men involved in a trial on Facebook and almost jeopardised the case. It's not even worth discussing it if you think that is OK.

The question is not about it being ok.  It's about whether that warrants prison, given that it did not prejudice the trial.

[Nick]

A slightly confusing comment.  From inside the courtroom?  Who did that?

He lived streamed images of men involved in a trial on Facebook and almost jeopardised the case. It's not even worth discussing it if you think that is OK. 

[Scott777]

But then, so are elements of the newsprint media, the Daily Mail for example being notorious for it.  Wherever we get our news in the UK - and in other western nations too - we need to be wary of what we are being told. If someone reports on something you have heard nowhere else, it might well not be the unvarnished truth. It is always wise to try and fact check new news, to see if it is reported elsewhere for verification.

I agree in general, but there is a problem with your solution.  I seem to recall the Daily Mail was the ONLY newspaper reporting on the Wuhan lab leak, while all the others got it wrong (or lied).  So checking other sources to verify it, does not provide any truth.  And if you're going to stop watching RT, does that mean you will continue to watch all the western pro-Ukraine propaganda?

[Scott777]

Correct. If the judge says you don't report on anything from inside the court room you don't report it. If you do you go to jail, so how is Yaxley Lennon a political prisoner? He's a common criminal, and not a very good one.

A slightly confusing comment.  From inside the courtroom?  Who did that?

[srb7677]

Judging by the title of this thread this seems a convenient place to make these observations.

There is no such thing anymore - even if there ever was -  as an unbiased media. All have an agenda and can be to a greater or lesser extent propagandistic. The newsprint media of course has overt biases, we have all always known that. But now we have the internet too, which provides a much broader spread of opinions, yet here too almost all sources have a bias, whether they be far left, far right, or everything in between. And quite a lot of them are highly unreliable in terms of factual reporting. But then, so are elements of the newsprint media, the Daily Mail for example being notorious for it. Wherever we get our news in the UK - and in other western nations too - we need to be wary of what we are being told. If someone reports on something you have heard nowhere else, it might well not be the unvarnished truth. It is always wise to try and fact check new news, to see if it is reported elsewhere for verification. Because there is a danger to which all of us are psychologically susceptible. Confirmation bias. A tendency to accept at face value news that conforms to what we already believe, and a countervailing tendency to distrust  news that contradicts our pre-existing beliefs and opinions. Propagandists of every ilk, both left and right, home grown or foreign, tend to exploit this tendency in us all.

TV boadcast news, notably the BBC, can be more subtle but it too has an agenda and bias. It's bias tends actually to be very left wing in matters of identity politics - trans rights, gay rights, gender equality and all that sort of thing, which the right tend to call "woke". Yet it also has a very establishmentarian right wing bias in terms of backing the economic status quo, whilst also being very liberal on law and order issues. When it comes to reporting on international issues, notably right now the war in Ukraine, it often tends to be very black and white, good guys versus bad guys. For example, when Ukrainians broadcast videos of Russian POWs the BBC did not point out that using POWs in this way is itself against the Geneva conventions, because the Ukrainians are the good guys so it mustn't be said. Other TV broadcasters take a similar line to the BBC.

I used to watch RT News from time to time. But I stopped doing so soon after the invasion which it had spent months ridiculing as scaremongering. I stopped because the pro-Russian, anti-Ukrainian bias was so blatantly obvious that I simply could not trust any of it.

The reason I used to watch it sometimes is that it gave a fair hearing to the British left and to those who criticised the economic status quo here, in a way that the BBC never did. This was refreshing. But I always knew there were ulterior motives. For example the British left are opponents of the current economic and political status quo, and Russia sought to give air time to anyone who opposed the current politico-economic status quo in the west. So we on the left got a fair hearing only because we opposed the status quo here, not because of any ideological bias in our favour. Because RT news also solidly backed the right wing populist Trump in America, because he was seen as pro-Russian and an enemy of the polito-economic status quo too.

[Sampanviking]

According to the BBC maps. The Donetsk town of Volnovakha is still under Ukrainian control
Here is a video from 10 days ago with the same reporter who is now with DPR forces in Mariupol, being with some of the first DPT forces to retake Volnovakha on March 11th/12th
He walks around and talks to residents and you can here what they have to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg