Rebuild Ukraine?

Started by T00ts, March 16, 2022, 11:00:24 AM

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B0ycey

Quote from: Sampanviking on March 16, 2022, 11:29:07 AM
I think its highly likely that the vast majority of those that have left and will soon have left the Ukraine have little or no intention of going back.
Actually, I think most will go back. I see most wanting to be part of the rebuilding of Ukraine and there is no doubt the patriotism of Ukrainians on the whole. It may take a couple of years given I think a lot will want to take up the opportunity to work in Europe in order to send money back home but once Ukraine begins its economic activity and jobs are recreated, I see most of them going home.

B0ycey

Quote from: T00ts on March 16, 2022, 11:00:24 AM
There is talk of a peace agreement with Ukraine staying neutral and outside NATO - for now at least. So how does the country start again? Who pays for rebuilding? Bombing continues even though talks are progressing which seems incredibly wrong to me. Will Russia be allowed to help or are they persona non grata in Ukraine after all this? If Western influence is also a no no from Russia's viewpoint, how will it proceed? How will the millions displaced get their country back?
First we need a deal and then we can discuss rebuilding. My guess is there will be plenty of countries happy to help them rebuild actually. China see them as part of their belt and road initiative, I'm sure a lot of Western aid will come to them as well. And I wouldn't be surprised if Russia come forward as well. From what I am reading Russia seem to want Ukraine to be neutral which can only mean more cooperation in economic activity which is laymen for investment and better economic relations in order to strife Western influence. It isn't far fetched to see Ukraines future as the Northern Ireland of Brexit. A market that acts as a mediator for two seperate markets. I guess what I am saying is Ukraine is a net exporter of food and has the potential to benefit from being a buffer country so everyone will want to invest in them. It will take years perhaps, but I do see a good future for Ukraine as long as they address Russias own security concerns which seems to have momentum right now after they have dropped the idea of NATO membership.

Barry

Quote from: Sheepy on March 16, 2022, 12:58:45 PM
Well, I suggest whoever caused 3 million refugees house and clothes them, no doubt we will have politicians queueing up to give them their houses. NOT!
I'd like to pay to rebuild Ukraine myself, or at least contribute.
However, I've just moved house and the new gas and leccy contract will need a mortgage. Meanwhile, the price of petrol is £1.67 a litre.
Oh, and remember that triple lock on pensions which was "suspended", don't expect it to ever be "unsuspended".
The small guys will pay, as usual.
† The end is nigh †

Sheepy

Quote from: Sampanviking on March 16, 2022, 11:29:07 AMI think its highly likely that the vast majority of those that have left and will soon have left the Ukraine have little or no intention of going back.
Well, I suggest whoever caused 3 million refugees house and clothes them, no doubt we will have politicians queueing up to give them their houses. NOT! 
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

Sampanviking

Quote from: T00ts on March 16, 2022, 11:13:11 AM
It might be for the politicians but not for the Ukrainians. Unless part of the peace is the rebuild where does that leave the people?
I think its highly likely that the vast majority of those that have left and will soon have left the Ukraine have little or no intention of going back.
Most are of course women and children. Once they start to be settled, their menfolk, currently on the front lines (apparently) will have very little to fight for and will themselves become more interested in crossing into the EU to start new lives with their loved ones.

What ever the final settlement for the territory of the Ukraine will be, will depend on what the final result looks like and that is very far from clear, other than that it will be very different from what it used to be.

T00ts

Quote from: Sampanviking on March 16, 2022, 11:06:42 AM
Toots its way to early for this, the fighting has not yet stopped and will not for the foreseeable.
Had the no Nato announcement been made before the recognition of the DPR and LPR by the Russian state, it may have bought enough time to sort things out diplomatically
Things have now moved on and the recognition of the status of Crimea, DPR, LPR and no doubt other parts of the Donbas as well, now need to be sorted out also, before any realistic peace deal can begin to be discussed.
It might be for the politicians but not for the Ukrainians. Unless part of the peace is the rebuild where does that leave the people? 

Sampanviking

Quote from: T00ts on March 16, 2022, 11:00:24 AM
There is talk of a peace agreement with Ukraine staying neutral and outside NATO - for now at least. So how does the country start again? Who pays for rebuilding? Bombing continues even though talks are progressing which seems incredibly wrong to me. Will Russia be allowed to help or are they persona non grata in Ukraine after all this? If Western influence is also a no no from Russia's viewpoint, how will it proceed? How will the millions displaced get their country back?
Toots its way to early for this, the fighting has not yet stopped and will not for the foreseeable.
Had the no Nato announcement been made before the recognition of the DPR and LPR by the Russian state, it may have bought enough time to sort things out diplomatically
Things have now moved on and the recognition of the status of Crimea, DPR, LPR and no doubt other parts of the Donbas as well, now need to be sorted out also, before any realistic peace deal can begin to be discussed.

T00ts

There is talk of a peace agreement with Ukraine staying neutral and outside NATO - for now at least. So how does the country start again? Who pays for rebuilding? Bombing continues even though talks are progressing which seems incredibly wrong to me. Will Russia be allowed to help or are they persona non grata in Ukraine after all this? If Western influence is also a no no from Russia's viewpoint, how will it proceed? How will the millions displaced get their country back?