Now Rishi moves out

Started by T00ts, April 10, 2022, 08:07:26 AM

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T00ts

Surely the point in all this is protection. Chancellor is one of the highest most important positions in the country, it would be only human to hold a view coloured by one's own circumstances. Here we have someone with a very rich FinL whom he might feel obliged to honour and probably does more than most due to his culture, and therefore may be tempted to form UK circumstances favourable to him. His wife is in a similar position and might therefore hold sway on UK financial decisions he makes. He would not be human if he didn't have them in mind as he discusses actions with the Treasury.

He may well be a fine upstanding man with purity running through his veins but he sets a precedent. The next one in his position may well not be. It is in the national interest to have Government officers who are not in a position to be blackmailed or bought.

patman post

Quote from: johnofgwent on April 10, 2022, 07:24:39 PM
Well that's kind of you to make the point for me. This is the CHANCELLOR who happily forces British citizens to suffer inheritance tax whose wife has a way not to that he has the power to plug. I do hope he doesn't try to say we're all in this together....
So you don't approve / do approve / or make up your mind according to who's involved...?

'No man in this country is under the smallest obligation, moral or other, so to arrange his legal relations to his business or to his property as to enable the Inland Revenue to put the largest possible shovel into his stores. The Inland Revenue is not slow – and quite rightly – to take every advantage which is open to it under the taxing statutes for the purpose of depleting the taxpayer's pocket. And the taxpayer is, in like manner, entitled to be astute to prevent, so far as he honestly can, the depletion of his means by the Inland Revenue.'
Lord Clyde in Ayrshire Pullman Motor Services and Ritchie v IRC
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Good old

Much is being made of the tax situation, distasteful though it is,it is legal has been for a very long time. Should it be altered ? Very carefully I would have thought.
The Green card is something, that should not just be  declared but given up the moment one enters politics. It requires a holder to be mainly domiciled in the States, and as such has to represent a possible conflict of interests. And possibly a very significant one. Rishi, only disposed of his card just six months gone. Now that in its self might be thought an oversight , but how could he have declared he had one when first elected?  And no one thought to consider its wider implications?
People that are not mainly  domiciled in this country already pull far to many strings .behind the scenes and through legal lobbying.  It has to be made impossible for people of  that status to even be MPs. If there should be another loophole here then it really should be closed

Streetwalker

Quote from: cromwell on April 11, 2022, 11:28:07 AM
Well I  don't think it needs to come down to fighting with pistols or swords ::) but if you are a US citizen (the home of capitalism) and you work wherever in the world you have to pay US taxes or give up your citizenship.

Anyone who wants to be a politician here and take part in making the rules we have to live by should be UK citizens and they and their families pay their dues here.
Well you have to fill in a tax return which isnt quite the same for some people as paying taxes ;)

I agree that anyone in politics should be UK citizens and behave accordingly . Im sure the Sunak family will find other legal loopholes  to protect their wealth 

cromwell

Well I  don't think it needs to come down to fighting with pistols or swords ::) but if you are a US citizen (the home of capitalism) and you work wherever in the world you have to pay US taxes or give up your citizenship.

Anyone who wants to be a politician here and take part in making the rules we have to live by should be UK citizens and they and their families pay their dues here.
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

Streetwalker

Quote from: Sampanviking on April 11, 2022, 12:47:50 AM
The fact he holds a US Green Card is reason enough for him to have to resign. Its a blatant conflict of interest and leaves British Financial Policy highly vulnerable to pressure from the US
I certainly did not vote to leave the EU simply to become a satellite of the US!
So both he and his wife have demonstrated little actual commitment to the UK and so he should be disqualified.
The yanks would definitely not allow someone with any form of duel citizenship to hold any political power in the US and we in this instance should do exactly the same.
I dont know under what criteria he applied for the Green card but thousands of people do so every year for easier access (and legality reasons ) when doing business in the USA . 

Its not a big deal and wouldnt read too much into the fact he had one .  The US has many foriegn born people in Government ,for instance Robert Phillips the Rhode Island state representative was born in England and has dual nationality . There was even a Russian born congressman  back in the last century who represented the Socialist party  . So yes the Yanks do allow foriegn born people , even commies and those with duel citizenship  to hold political power .



Sampanviking

The fact he holds a US Green Card is reason enough for him to have to resign. Its a blatant conflict of interest and leaves British Financial Policy highly vulnerable to pressure from the US
I certainly did not vote to leave the EU simply to become a satellite of the US!
So both he and his wife have demonstrated little actual commitment to the UK and so he should be disqualified.
The yanks would definitely not allow someone with any form of duel citizenship to hold any political power in the US and we in this instance should do exactly the same.

Borchester

Quote from: T00ts on April 10, 2022, 08:07:26 AM
So now Rishi Sunak has moved his family out of No11 and into their own home to save his family from any further scrutiny. He is on the slippery slope and I await his resignation. He is a very rich man which is not necessarily a bad thing if someone is clever and good at their job. For goodness sake the country needs some clever people in Government but something tells me that this is a man who will not like criticism and I suspect his time in Government and even politics is coming to an end.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10703903/Rishi-Sunak-moves-family-Downing-Street-following-backlash-wifes-non-dom-status.html

Well, he has done a pretty good job of funding the nation while it was sitting on its arse over a few bouts of the flu. And his reward has been a shit storm of whinging and a two million pound tax bill.

Hopefully he will retire to spend more time with his family and money.
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cromwell

Quote from: Nick on April 10, 2022, 10:45:19 PM
Define fair share! In my book that is paying what the law expects you to pay. Clearly you expect the rich to pay more than their fair share.
Yeah I know you think that,and I think those as can should pay up......and as you also know there are plenty ways they make sure there are legal? Puke get out clauses.

The tax system particularly paye sees the ordinary people with no of those get out of jail......sorry paying your tax free.
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

Nick

Quote from: cromwell on April 10, 2022, 10:21:07 PM
I'm talking in general,people should be made to pay their fair share,I don't need a lecture about the tories ta very much......I know all about them.
Define fair share! In my book that is paying what the law expects you to pay. Clearly you expect the rich to pay more than their fair share. 
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

cromwell

Quote from: B0ycey on April 10, 2022, 08:09:34 PM
But she was paying her dues Cromwell. And soon she will be paying more than her dues if you want to be completely accurate. I don't know why you are struggling to understand who the real culprits of this is. The Tories.
I'm talking in general,people should be made to pay their fair share,I don't need a lecture about the tories ta very much......I know all about them.
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

B0ycey

Quote from: cromwell on April 10, 2022, 07:58:18 PM
Couldn't care less if someone is black,brown or sky blue pink pay your dues,Dona good job is fine by me.
But she was paying her dues Cromwell. And soon she will be paying more than her dues if you want to be completely accurate. I don't know why you are struggling to understand who the real culprits of this is. The Tories.

cromwell

Couldn't care less if someone is black,brown or sky blue pink pay your dues,Dona good job is fine by me.
Energy....secure and affordable,not that hard is it?

johnofgwent

Quote from: Nick on April 10, 2022, 01:14:10 PM
The only people who complain about loopholes are those not in a position to use them.
Well that's kind of you to make the point for me. This is the CHANCELLOR who happily forces British citizens to suffer inheritance tax whose wife has a way not to that he has the power to plug. I do hope he doesn't try to say we're all in this together....
<t>In matters of taxation, Lord Clyde\'s summing up in the 1929 case Inland Revenue v Ayrshire Pullman Services is worth a glance.</t>

Sheepy

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