The Bells the Bells

[johnofgwent]

It's interesting that the newspapers are playing this as a "furious leave freaks whinge .. " etc etc



Meanwhile, the welsh assembly celebrate their passing law allowing children and foreigners who have no citizenship or residence rights the vote...



I was going to stand in the street of the Rue D'Ecuyver, Brussels, (just round the block from the mannekin pis) and toast out departure with a pint of Leffe in the one bar in Brussels - Churchills - where you can get a pint...



I'm going to be too busy, so I'll have to put up with drinking it in my back garden instead

[Streetwalker]

If it were only those who voted for Brexit under a Tory government who are going to suffer I would not be bothered. But it isn't, few people are going to be insulated from the damage.

Unfortunately papa the Tories were the only party capable of winning a GE that said they would carry out the result of the referendum . Im sure if a functioning Labour party had made the same declaration they would have had every chance of being the party to take us out . As we know though they didn't make any such declaration and were some way off being any where near functional .

We are where we are and though I don't trust the tories they made the best offer .

[papasmurf]

The divisions in society are not caused by Brexit but by those who have not and will never accept Brexit .

If it were only those who voted for Brexit under a Tory government who are going to suffer I would not be bothered. But it isn't, few people are going to be insulated from the damage.

[Streetwalker]

The views of Europeans not domiciled in the UK are frankly no longer particularly relevant to how the UK marks its departure from the EU, particularly the resentful and spiteful posts of the resident Paddies ( resident on the forum but not in the UK!).



Every Leaver has an absolute right to celebrate the triumph of democracy albeit somewhat late in the day. Every Leaver has the right to believe a mistake has been made. That is the point; we are past the point of preventing Leave and must now either make the very best of it that we can grasping every opportunity to grow the prosperity of our nation.



Triumphalism and excessive celebration by Leavers are in no way likely to start to heal the divisions in our society caused largely by Brexit. Neither are continued attempts by Leavers, to continue to debate the rights and wrongs of Brexit, That ship has sailed! The only positive way forward is Reconciliation. There were valid arguments both for and against Brexit. It is now common sense and the responsibility for every citizen to make every effort to ensure the UK's future success as it once again returns to the status of an independent nation.

The divisions in society are not caused by Brexit but by those who have not and will never accept Brexit . They will continue with their bleating way after January 31st in attempt to force a soft Brexit and we must do all that needs to be done to silence them until the leaving is done .



Now is not the time for reconciliation ,its the time to press forward ,it is our time to demand that the government makes Brexit the success it should be for these United Kingdoms . We must celebrate every step we take on the road to independence the more excessive the better .We must make sure we are the biggest and the loudest party in town .

We must make sure when the talks begin  that any murmurs  of brino  any further attempts from remoaners  to distract from our goals are quashed and that the best possible future is carved out .

When that is achieved the healing can begin ,until then we must keep our boots firmly on remoaners throats and the governments feet close to the fire remembering at all times that though we may have won a battle winning the war has  still a way to go

[Major Sinic]

The views of Europeans not domiciled in the UK are frankly no longer particularly relevant to how the UK marks its departure from the EU, particularly the resentful and spiteful posts of the resident Paddies ( resident on the forum but not in the UK!).



Every Leaver has an absolute right to celebrate the triumph of democracy albeit somewhat late in the day. Every Leaver has the right to believe a mistake has been made. That is the point; we are past the point of preventing Leave and must now either make the very best of it that we can grasping every opportunity to grow the prosperity of our nation.



Triumphalism and excessive celebration by Leavers are in no way likely to start to heal the divisions in our society caused largely by Brexit. Neither are continued attempts by Leavers, to continue to debate the rights and wrongs of Brexit, That ship has sailed! The only positive way forward is Reconciliation. There were valid arguments both for and against Brexit. It is now common sense and the responsibility for every citizen to make every effort to ensure the UK's future success as it once again returns to the status of an independent nation.

[papasmurf]

Good for some, bad for others. Not a great advertisement for what's coming.

The rabid outers will take no notice. The only time they will be able to read the writing on the  wall is when their backs are to it.

[GerryT]

It is in multiple news sources.

Good for some, bad for others. Not a great advertisement for what's coming.

[papasmurf]

I dont trust any uk news article,

It is in multiple news sources.

[GerryT]

There will be no economic success story.  Sajid Javid has just made that a certainty:-



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933

The chancellor has warned manufacturers that "there will not be alignment" with the EU after Brexit and insists firms must "adjust" to new regulations.

Speaking to the Financial Times, Sajid Javid admitted not all businesses would benefit from Brexit.

Last year, the automotive, food and drink and pharmaceutical sectors warned the government that no longer aligning with key EU rules would be damaging.

I dont trust any uk news article, for manufacturers/sellers into the EU, they will have to ensure their products follow and get the EU stamp or they cant continue to export to europe. That's over 40% of all uk exports. Those businesses will then need to comply to both standards, that's going to cost.

We'll have to see the detail but funny the only concrete change mentioned are investment rules on where the UK spends its money. Ironic that the one thing he mentions for change could have been done years ago as it's not an eu but a local uk rule.

[papasmurf]

Thats true, but not a economic success story of brexit and won't last if weatherspoons are loosing money on the deal.

There will be no economic success story.  Sajid Javid has just made that a certainty:-



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51157933

The chancellor has warned manufacturers that "there will not be alignment" with the EU after Brexit and insists firms must "adjust" to new regulations.

Speaking to the Financial Times, Sajid Javid admitted not all businesses would benefit from Brexit.

Last year, the automotive, food and drink and pharmaceutical sectors warned the government that no longer aligning with key EU rules would be damaging.

[GerryT]

Whatever your point, the punters are now getting their beer 20p a pint cheaper...

Thats true, but not a economic success story of brexit and won't last if weatherspoons are loosing money on the deal.

[GerryT]

I stopped using the local Wetherspoons a long time ago. A long wait to get served even when the place is near empty, it appears only one member of staff is capable of changing a barrel, it is a very long walk up flights of stairs to the toilets, the area in the front of the bar so filthy your shoes stick to it, there is no longer do Sunday roast, and the choice on the menu is rubbish.

I must say I prefer a local dingy pub, but one with staff you can have a good conversation, a nice pint and NO machines or TV's.

[Barry]

Sometimes I have to check because records of past events and even meanings of words change over time.



I think this is a clear case of that. No one would have thought it if he had not previously mentioned it. Now he's more PC...

Yeah, black is white, too, BvL.  ::  ::

[Baron von Lotsov]

Well, your infobible, Wikipedia, says this.

Sometimes I have to check because records of past events and even meanings of words change over time.



I think this is a clear case of that. No one would have thought it if he had not previously mentioned it. Now he's more PC...

[Borchester]

You do toots and dont let anyone put you off.



When we lost the 2014 indyref , i was just remembering there quite a few occassions  on the old forum where quackers gloated to me about scotland still being part of the uk.



He didnt confront me directly , more in his usual cowardly manner of posting in a thread addressed to no one in general , some sarky remark about the union remaining intact knowing full well i was posting in the thread and reading what was being said.



So dont think for one moment had the boot been on the other foot remainers in england like quackers wouldnt be celebrating the fact democracy hadnt been honoured had labour and the liberals won the general election.

And should Scotland ever become independent, the EU will be so pleased to rub the UK's nose in it that it will agree to any terms Wee Krankie might suggest. And the UK won't really care because we are shot of the EU and the Scots will be happy because they are free of England and the only loser will be Duckie who will just be left to dream hopelessly of the day when the King comes into his own again.