NHS action unlawful

[johnofgwent]

That was probably unlawful, too.

Well that's what the practice at Milton Keynes did to me in 1992. They refused to even see me and told me to go to my own GP. I passed out behind the wheel and rolled off the M4 nearly whacking a plod car on the hard shoulder.

He started being quite unimpressed with me but when he saw the letter from the Wolverton Surgery (I insist d they give me a written rejection letter) he was quite incandescent with THEM.

Did you know a copper didn't pay the Severn bridge toll with his blue lights on neither did the one driving my car following him

[Scott777]

 hindsight is a wonderful thing , it was all best guess and reaction rather than policy and preparedness . 

You assume the plan was to protect sick people, rather than profit and power.  If you always assume they made mistakes while accidentally making money and power, oddly enough they will keep making 'mistakes'.

[Scott777]

I think we were pretty much in agreement back in the day that people should not have been sent back to care homes . 

Having them stay in Hospital though would have been an equal disaster for the patients and staff . On the outset of the pandemic it was all about isolation , for the oldies at least .

The money spent on mass vaccination and testing (for the people who didn't need it) should have been spent on studying Ivermectin, vitamins, and natural immunity, but Boris, Handoncock, Chris Shitty and Patrick Unvalliant were serving big pharma to increase their personal wealth and power.

[patman post]

Seems like a case of Admin making medical decisions rather than the clinical personnel...

[T00ts]

That was probably unlawful, too.

I always thought we could present ourselves at any hospital/GP if resident in another place for holiday/work etc and expect treatment.

[Barry]

It's not a national health service and hasn't been for a  number years mainly due to govt initiatives
from both parties.

My wife had a problem whilst we were on holiday (before all this kicked off) went to the local A&E was seen by a doctor who said she'd fix it sent her to a desk to make an appointment two days hence,all was ok till she was asked for her address to be then told no you must go home and go to your local hospital.

That was probably unlawful, too.

[cromwell]

It's not a national health service and hasn't been for a  number years mainly due to govt initiatives 
from both parties.

My wife had a problem whilst we were on holiday (before all this kicked off) went to the local A&E was seen by a doctor who said she'd fix it sent her to a desk to make an appointment two days hence,all was ok till she was asked for her address to be then told no you must go home and go to your local hospital.

[T00ts]

It was toots and hindsight is a wonderful thing , it was all best guess and reaction rather than policy and preparedness . The blame game will weed out a few who failed us but unfortunately will take down some who were doing what they thought was the right thing to do at the time

My mind wanders back to the first Health Committee meeting with the heads of NHS. I still remember the blank expressions and the searching for phrases to make themselves seem competent. It was worse than embarrassing. It was so obvious that they hadn't clue about what preparation had been done, or even what was needed. They had had weeks of information and warnings as to what had been happening as near as France, Spain and particularly Italy. People like that have no place at the top of any organisation.

[Streetwalker]

If you remember everyone from Westminster down were running around like headless chickens having sat on their hands while other countries sent countless warnings around the world. Then it was a case of our wonderful NHS suddenly realising that they had very little provision for anything of this sort and even fewer plans. We clapped on the doorstep for those on the front line who could have done little more while 'protected' with bin liners in some cases while their bosses puffed up their chests at the sound.

It was toots and hindsight is a wonderful thing , it was all best guess and reaction rather than policy and preparedness . The blame game will weed out a few who failed us but unfortunately will take down some who were doing what they thought was the right thing to do at the time 

[T00ts]

If you remember everyone from Westminster down were running around like headless chickens having sat on their hands while other countries sent countless warnings around the world. Then it was a case of our wonderful NHS suddenly realising that they had very little provision for anything of this sort and even fewer plans. We clapped on the doorstep for those on the front line who could have done little more while 'protected' with bin liners in some cases while their bosses puffed up their chests at the sound.

[Streetwalker]

It wasn't about isolation. It was about clearing the NHS hospitals to make way for the overwhelming number of virus patients predicted.
I watched it happening.

I agree that was the reason for clearing the beds , isolation was what should have happened while they were doing it not what they did do in sending them back to their care home . What Im saying is that there should have been a third option .

[Barry]

I think we were pretty much in agreement back in the day that people should not have been sent back to care homes . 

Having them stay in Hospital though would have been an equal disaster for the patients and staff . On the outset of the pandemic it was all about isolation , for the oldies at least .

It wasn't about isolation. It was about clearing the NHS hospitals to make way for the overwhelming number of virus patients predicted.
I watched it happening.

[T00ts]

I think we were pretty much in agreement back in the day that people should not have been sent back to care homes . 

Having them stay in Hospital though would have been an equal disaster for the patients and staff . On the outset of the pandemic it was all about isolation , for the oldies at least .

I think Boris made a reasonable comment in PMQs when he pointed out that at the time no-one was aware that covid could spread while symptom free.

[Streetwalker]

It's better than nothing, but they shouldn't have tested them, either, as the PCR tests didn't work.  Should have stayed in hospital.  Also need investigation into midazolam.  This is the tip of the iceberg of the crimes they committed.

I think we were pretty much in agreement back in the day that people should not have been sent back to care homes .  

Having them stay in Hospital though would have been an equal disaster for the patients and staff . On the outset of the pandemic it was all about isolation , for the oldies at least . 

[patman post]

It's also clear that govts for decades now have put  so called improvements in to place based on political  ideals rather than what's best for the nhs to provide for the nation.

About 53% of NHS employees are clinically qualified. The rest are support staff, and middle, senior and very senior manager grades.

It appears that the clinical staff dealing with patients are too pressured to become more involved in admin and management. Perhaps if there were more clinical staff and a lower proportion of non-clinical admin and management, the NHS would be able to focus on medical concerns and perform better...