Ghislaine Maxwell guilty

[patman post]

if they are that well known why dont the girls /women  who have claimed abuse just name them . They say Maxwell lured them into the sordid affair but dont (apart from Randy Andy  not proven and Epstien himself ) put any names to who was abusing them . There just never seemed enough evidence for me to decide one way or the other .

But you can't convict the dead or the absent , as JoG eludes above ,she has taken one for the team .

I don't really know the details of this or other cases, but it could be that abused boys/girls/men/women are not take seriously/not believed/or (for whatever reason) never came forward at the time.

The UK has its own examples of similar abuses.

The UK also has examples of wrongful allegations blighting the lives of innocent known people.

With the Met now under Special Measures, I'd be slow to accuse other law enforcement agencies elsewhere of getting things wrong...

[johnofgwent]

She's 60 years old so a 100 year sentence would mean she would be 160 when released which seems quite extreme, even for the USA.
I would have given her a 2 year sentence, time already served, and then ask her to name all the real players in the sorry affair and get some of them before the courts.
Jeffrey Epstein's associates are well known people.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a28352055/jeffrey-epstein-criminal-case-facts/

Which would see her dead in a week in case she did...

[Barry]

if they are that well known why dont the girls /women  who have claimed abuse just name them . They say Maxwell lured them into the sordid affair but dont (apart from Randy Andy  not proven and Epstien himself ) put any names to who was abusing them . There just never seemed enough evidence for me to decide one way or the other .

But you can't convict the dead or the absent , as JoG eludes above ,she has taken one for the team .

True. A load of rich men abused a lot of (USA) underage women, for which a 60 year old woman takes the rap. Some might say misogyny at its worst.

[Streetwalker]

She's 60 years old so a 100 year sentence would mean she would be 160 when released which seems quite extreme, even for the USA.
I would have given her a 2 year sentence, time already served, and then ask her to name all the real players in the sorry affair and get some of them before the courts.
Jeffrey Epstein's associates are well known people.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a28352055/jeffrey-epstein-criminal-case-facts/

if they are that well known why dont the girls /women  who have claimed abuse just name them . They say Maxwell lured them into the sordid affair but dont (apart from Randy Andy  not proven and Epstien himself ) put any names to who was abusing them . There just never seemed enough evidence for me to decide one way or the other .

But you cant convict the dead or the absent , as JoG eludes above ,she has taken one for the team . 

[cromwell]

She's 60 years old so a 100 year sentence would mean she would be 160 when released which seems quite extreme, even for the USA.
I would have given her a 2 year sentence, time already served, and then ask her to name all the real players in the sorry affair and get some of them before the courts.
Jeffrey Epstein's associates are well known people.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a28352055/jeffrey-epstein-criminal-case-facts/

I can't help thinking if Epstein wasn't dead this is the sort of sentence she would have been given.

[T00ts]

She's 60 years old so a 100 year sentence would mean she would be 160 when released which seems quite extreme, even for the USA.
I would have given her a 2 year sentence, time already served, and then ask her to name all the real players in the sorry affair and get some of them before the courts.
Jeffrey Epstein's associates are well known people.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a28352055/jeffrey-epstein-criminal-case-facts/

I fear that this saga will run and run. There will be no end of people claiming from her and the courts will have a field day looking for other perpetrators.

[Barry]

I guess if there are extenuating circumstances, they will likely be paraded if she appeals — which I think I heard one news report say her legal team planned to do.

She may be carrying some of the blame that can't now be taken out on Epstein. But there were wild allegations that she'd be sentenced to 100 years or more, so 20 years doesn't now seem too Draconian.

An appeal and associated bargaining might get a reduction in her sentence and perhaps bring a few more people under scrutiny...

She's 60 years old so a 100 year sentence would mean she would be 160 when released which seems quite extreme, even for the USA.
I would have given her a 2 year sentence, time already served, and then ask her to name all the real players in the sorry affair and get some of them before the courts.
Jeffrey Epstein's associates are well known people.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a28352055/jeffrey-epstein-criminal-case-facts/

[patman post]

A woman in the type of relationship she seems to have had with Epstein is not necessarily so easy to walk away from. All sorts of women remain in all sorts of relationships where they actually cease to think for themselves and see any attention better than none. I do feel that she was in thrall to this man. She deserves punishment of course. In the end everyone has choice but I feel she probably had extenuating circumstances that haven't been heard.

I guess if there are extenuating circumstances, they will likely be paraded if she appeals — which I think I heard one news report say her legal team planned to do.

She may be carrying some of the blame that can't now be taken out on Epstein. But there were wild allegations that she'd be sentenced to 100 years or more, so 20 years doesn't now seem too Draconian.

An appeal and associated bargaining might get a reduction in her sentence and perhaps bring a few more people under scrutiny...

[T00ts]

She could have walked away any time she chose . Its not as if she wouldn't have found refuge amoung the millionaire brothers .
The sob story doesnt register with me and though 20 years seems a bit harsh it will be spent in relative comfort the Danbury celebrity prison (as seen on tv) 

A woman in the type of relationship she seems to have had with Epstein is not necessarily so easy to walk away from. All sorts of women remain in all sorts of relationships where they actually cease to think for themselves and see any attention better than none. I do feel that she was in thrall to this man. She deserves punishment of course. In the end everyone has choice but I feel she probably had extenuating circumstances that haven't been heard.

[Streetwalker]

She has lived a poor life and done some dreadful things but I still can't but feel sorry for her. Looking back over her life she had the privilege of riches but little else. Her father was not a good role model and died either by his own hand or murder. He was a force in her life who never really appreciated her as a child or adult although she constantly tried to please him. Did that leave her vulnerable to Epstein? I suspect she has spent her whole life trying to get approval and Epstein was obviously a very manipulative man.
He seems to have manipulated all who came into his circle, no doubt for his own ends with little regard for anyone else or the repercussions. I am not comfortable that she is being punished not just for her sins but more for Epstein since he is not available.

She could have walked away any time she chose . Its not as if she wouldn't have found refuge amoung the millionaire brothers .
The sob story doesnt register with me and though 20 years seems a bit harsh it will be spent in relative comfort the Danbury celebrity prison (as seen on tv)  

[T00ts]

She has lived a poor life and done some dreadful things but I still can't but feel sorry for her. Looking back over her life she had the privilege of riches but little else. Her father was not a good role model and died either by his own hand or murder. He was a force in her life who never really appreciated her as a child or adult although she constantly tried to please him. Did that leave her vulnerable to Epstein? I suspect she has spent her whole life trying to get approval and Epstein was obviously a very manipulative man. 
He seems to have manipulated all who came into his circle, no doubt for his own ends with little regard for anyone else or the repercussions. I am not comfortable that she is being punished not just for her sins but more for Epstein since he is not available. 

[cromwell]

So she's been put away for 20 years ...

[johnofgwent]

So she's been put away for 20 years ...

[Good old]

Just seen on news at ten that a juror in the Maxwell trial was sexually abused they related this to the other jurors and said it made them more open to finding her guilty.

Now this has been revealed it looks like she might get a retrial.

https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-us-department-of-justice-urges-court-to-investigate-juror-who-was-victim-of-sexual-abuse-12509781

Funny what comes into play ,when the reality is ,a paucity of evidence, one way or the other. 

[cromwell]

Just seen on news at ten that a juror in the Maxwell trial was sexually abused they related this to the other jurors and said it made them more open to finding her guilty.

Now this has been revealed it looks like she might get a retrial.

https://news.sky.com/story/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-us-department-of-justice-urges-court-to-investigate-juror-who-was-victim-of-sexual-abuse-12509781