Brexit battle again

Started by T00ts, July 07, 2022, 10:28:38 AM

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Streetwalker

Quote from: patman post on July 07, 2022, 07:08:33 PM
The electorate have never put him in Westminster
Thats debatable  . Ballot boxes turning up 6 hours after the polls closed in Thanet in 2015 GE six months before UKIP won the council ??? #ThanetRigged: Thanet South 'Fraud' Probe In Seat Where Nigel Farage Was Defeated In The General Election | HuffPost UK News (huffingtonpost.co.uk)

Nobody can be sure what went on but something wasnt right . The Consevertives broke every rule in the book in throwing the kitchen sink at Thanet  and of course in 2015 UKIP were the 3rd highest vote party wise nationally with over 3 million votes without gaining one MP . 

I think we could say it was the system rather than the electorate that kept Farage away from Westminster 

patman post

Quote from: HallowedBrexit on July 07, 2022, 05:50:15 PM
I agree it should be Nigel. He's the only honest politician this country has.
The electorate have never put him in Westminster — that and and catching him pontificating on the media is enough guidance for me...
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HallowedBrexit

Quote from: Streetwalker on July 07, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
No it has to be implemented .

Just because Johnson has had his cards handed to him doesnt mean the refendum result has gone away . Its not about the fecking tory party and their in house squabbles its about what us leavers have fought for .

I never thought Westminster could be trusted with taking us out of the EU and thats been proved to be the case . Johnson may well have hitched his wagon to the cause for personal gain but in the end Westminster brought him down because of it

So we will will see ,  the Conservertives will need some excellent PR and a steady hand on the tiller to get out of this mess but are currently unelectable

Starmer is a .......is  unelectable

David,  Damy  ,  whatever his name is  hasnt  really impressed .....unelectable

Greens ,  Puke

We really are at an all time low  , so who exactly do you think will get elected and un do it ?

Theres more chance of ,,hang on the phones ringing ,,, ''Alright Nige  hows it going '' 
I agree it should be Nigel. He's the only honest politician this country has.

patman post

Quote from: T00ts on July 07, 2022, 03:33:17 PM
I hope we don't - the terms are likely to be prohibitive although no doubt they would love the return of our fees. I don't think any Government can currently do much about your 3 demands re health etc we are under global influences to a very large extent. I still believe for all his faults he has still been the only candidate maverick enough to have carried the Brexit vote through.
Why would trading agreements necessarily require anyone paying fees?

Health for this country is this country's concern — eg, the promised 40 hospitals, adequate medication, and appropriate care. All promised and said to be happening, but lies.

Johnson never got Brexit done. He couldn't, once he'd promised no border between GB and Northern Ireland. Besides, Northern Ireland's doing well under the current ad hoc arrangements. The whole things a dog's breakfast...
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Streetwalker

Quote from: HDQQ on July 07, 2022, 10:35:37 AM
It depends on whether the Tory party splits and whether the split is along Brexiter / remain lines.  Unfortunately, Brexit can't just 'go', it has to be undone. 
No it has to be implemented .

Just because Johnson has had his cards handed to him doesnt mean the refendum result has gone away . Its not about the fecking tory party and their in house squabbles its about what us leavers have fought for . 

I never thought Westminster could be trusted with taking us out of the EU and thats been proved to be the case . Johnson may well have hitched his wagon to the cause for personal gain but in the end Westminster brought him down because of it 

So we will will see ,  the Conservertives will need some excellent PR and a steady hand on the tiller to get out of this mess but are currently unelectable 

Starmer is a .......is  unelectable 

David,  Damy  ,  whatever his name is  hasnt  really impressed .....unelectable 

Greens ,   Puke

We really are at an all time low  , so who exactly do you think will get elected and un do it ?

Theres more chance of ,,hang on the phones ringing ,,, ''Alright Nige  hows it going ''   

Sheepy

Quote from: GerryT on July 07, 2022, 11:58:22 AMBrexit has to be done before it's undone
So, we keep telling the Westminster party, but they keep thinking they can have a foot in both camps and nobody will notice, except they end up like headless chickens every time.
Just because I don't say anything, it doesn't mean I haven't noticed!

T00ts

Quote from: patman post on July 07, 2022, 03:23:27 PM
I don't see the UK rejoining the EU.

However, if the next PM prioritises the health, wealth and wellbeing of the UK, and chooses a cabinet to support that objective, I can see the UK seeking extensive customs and trading agreements with the EU.

I would also expect the UK to redouble its efforts to turn all those "agreements in principle" with other countries and trading blocs into firm treaties...
I hope we don't - the terms are likely to be prohibitive although no doubt they would love the return of our fees. I don't think any Government can currently do much about your 3 demands re health etc we are under global influences to a very large extent. I still believe for all his faults he has still been the only candidate maverick enough to have carried the Brexit vote through.

patman post

I don't see the UK rejoining the EU.

However, if the next PM prioritises the health, wealth and wellbeing of the UK, and chooses a cabinet to support that objective, I can see the UK seeking extensive customs and trading agreements with the EU.

I would also expect the UK to redouble its efforts to turn all those "agreements in principle" with other countries and trading blocs into firm treaties...
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GerryT

Quote from: HDQQ on July 07, 2022, 10:35:37 AM
It depends on whether the Tory party splits and whether the split is along Brexiter / remain lines.  Unfortunately, Brexit can't just 'go', it has to be undone. 
Brexit has to be done before it's undone. The Uk haven't resolved the NI issue, border checks have been postponed and not implemented. The EU are pursuing legal action against the UK, saying brexit is done is a fallacy. Bojo is a clown and has done so much damage to the UK globally, no body believes a word he said or might say, how it's taken the UK so long to cop on to this is beyond me. Hopefully his successor will have some level of honesty and can negotiate a way forward for the UK and will implement the EU/UK deal as it has been agreed. Following that the UK can try to make changes, but it will start with a baseline of the brexit deal, and move from there.  If the Tory party had any semblance of honour left it would boot him now and not let that stain of a man continue to next Oct. How can any MP that has stepped down support him, the only thing they can now do is resign, how can they stay on and support him with silence.

HDQQ

Quote from: T00ts on July 07, 2022, 10:28:38 AM
Lord Heseltine has just said on Sky that when Boris goes Brexit goes. His summary is that public opinion has moved on and although nothing will be said about rejoining the will will be to align with the EU much more. He feels that Starmer's rhetoric about not rejoining recently has left him looking a bit stupid. His comments were in the light of the next GE being against Boris but that is now irrelevant.

Well here we go again!
It depends on whether the Tory party splits and whether the split is along Brexiter / remain lines.  Unfortunately, Brexit can't just 'go', it has to be undone.  
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T00ts

Lord Heseltine has just said on Sky that when Boris goes Brexit goes. His summary is that public opinion has moved on and although nothing will be said about rejoining the will will be to align with the EU much more. He feels that Starmer's rhetoric about not rejoining recently has left him looking a bit stupid. His comments were in the light of the next GE being against Boris but that is now irrelevant. 

Well here we go again!