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Started by HallowedBrexit, September 26, 2022, 07:57:16 AM

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Quote from: srb7677 on October 06, 2022, 09:38:04 PM
Because I don't hold back from stating uncomfortable but obvious facts.
Facts without data?  This sounds like the work of the The Witchsmeller Pursuivant.

srb7677

Quote from: Nick on October 05, 2022, 11:28:10 PM
Your premise has absolutely no data, it's something you will never be able to prove so why say it?
Because I don't hold back from stating uncomfortable but obvious facts. When I next get a day off on wednesday and have time to play with, remind me and I will research some data. Am too tired to be arsed with that right now.

But I can recall in the past reading data that confirmed the desire to curtail immigration was a significant motivating factor for many Brexit voters. It is also a significant motivating factor for many racists with a dislike of foreigners. It is therefore obvious that at least some of the former and the latter are the same people. Few racists would have been enthralled by the EU open border policy.

All this is logically obvious to all those who dont find such facts too uncomfortable to want to believe it. The Brexit vote would not have been won without the added support of racists. That you don't like that fact isn't my problem.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

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The rudeness would probably be the Remainers.  I must admit, I didn't realise Long-Remainism existed until recently. I don't know what to do about that, but it's probably just psychological.  Other than being misquoted I am even finding things are quite pleasant on this here political forum. 

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Quote from: B-4 on October 05, 2022, 11:24:38 PM
Depends on how it's spun.  There was an aggressive media campaign against Brexit, and even after the referendum Remainers were trying to reverse it, even if it resulted in a legal dictatorship and the abolition of referendum democracy (direct).  My guess is that the British people wisened up to it, and found it https://news.met.police.uk/news/response-to-bbc-newsnight-story-re-whatsapp-group-former-officers-455045?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=Subscription&utm_content=current_news
Since the Brexit campaign, the whole of British society has become more "frightfully rude"...
On climate change — we're talking, we're beginning to act, but we're still not doing enough...

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Quote from: srb7677 on October 05, 2022, 11:07:46 PM
You think racists are ok with white foreigners? lol
They'll probably tolerate them better than Black and Brown ones — and orientals tend to know their place.

Mind you, eastern Europeans — doing harvesting and picking work — get slagged off...
On climate change — we're talking, we're beginning to act, but we're still not doing enough...

Nick

Quote from: srb7677 on October 05, 2022, 11:07:46 PM
You think racists are ok with white foreigners? lol
Your premise has absolutely no data, it's something you will never be able to prove so why say it?
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

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Quote from: patman post on October 05, 2022, 11:08:52 PM
That's why the lie peddled alongside the unicorns and oven-ready deals was so easy to spot for those not blinded and deafened by the bright lights and foghorn sloganeering of the Brexit coalition...
Depends on how it's spun.  There was an aggressive media campaign against Brexit, and even after the referendum Remainers were trying to reverse it, even if it resulted in a legal dictatorship and the abolition of referendum democracy (direct).  My guess is that the British people wisened up to it, and found it frightfully rude.

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Quote from: srb7677 on October 05, 2022, 11:07:46 PM
You think racists are ok with white foreigners? lol
I just explained it to you.  Maybe allow it time to process.

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Quote from: B-4 on October 05, 2022, 10:58:21 PM
A made up statistic repeated ad infinitum is not an obvious fact.  Immigration outside of the historically white continent/eurozone has always has been controlled by the British government.  Did somebody tell you it wasn't?
That's why the lie peddled alongside the unicorns and oven-ready deals was so easy to spot for those not blinded and deafened by the bright lights and foghorn sloganeering of the Brexit coalition...
On climate change — we're talking, we're beginning to act, but we're still not doing enough...

srb7677

Quote from: B-4 on October 05, 2022, 10:58:21 PM
A made up statistic repeated ad infinitum is not an obvious fact.  Immigration outside of the historically white continent/eurozone has always has been controlled by the British government.  Did somebody tell you it wasn't?
You think racists are ok with white foreigners? lol
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

B-4

Quote from: srb7677 on October 05, 2022, 10:44:40 PM
So one oddball to counter the blatantly obvious fact that most racists voted Brexit. Why wouldn't they? Keeping foreigners out was a major motive for many
A made up statistic repeated ad infinitum is not an obvious fact.   Immigration outside of the historically white continent/eurozone has always has been controlled by the British government.  Did somebody tell you it wasn't?


srb7677

Quote from: B-4 on October 05, 2022, 10:32:20 PM
There is no obvious fact for you to rely on, merely wild opinion and speculation.  I countered it by mentioning somebody who digs Hitler and the Nazi ideology, who was thoroughly opposed to the UKIP.  For him, Brexit would result in more neo-liberalism and trans-atlantic cooporation.  He didn't care about the country as much as he cared about race, and saw the EU as a future vessel that could one day suit his interests.  Something global Britain outside of the bureaucratic shackles will never be.
So one oddball to counter the blatantly obvious fact that most racists voted Brexit. Why wouldn't they? Keeping foreigners out was a major motive for many
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

B-4

Quote from: srb7677 on October 05, 2022, 10:21:31 PM
A few racist nutcases on the Remain side does nothing to gainsay the obvious fact the most racists supported Brexit, which fact your statement did nothing to contradict, hence my decision to respond with something humorous. Though no doubt you are not laughing, lol.
There is no obvious fact for you to rely on, merely wild opinion and speculation.  I countered it by mentioning somebody who digs Hitler and the Nazi ideology, who was thoroughly opposed to the UKIP.  For him, Brexit would result in more neo-liberalism and trans-atlantic cooporation.  He didn't care about the country as much as he cared about race, and saw the EU as a future vessel that could one day suit his interests.  Something global Britain outside of the bureaucratic shackles will never be.

srb7677

Quote from: B-4 on October 05, 2022, 10:14:40 PM
It would have been more gentlemanly to agree with me if you don't have a counter-argument.
A few racist nutcases on the Remain side does nothing to gainsay the obvious fact the most racists supported Brexit, which fact your statement did nothing to contradict, hence my decision to respond with something humorous. Though no doubt you are not laughing, lol.
We are not all in the same boat. We are in the same storm. Some of us have yachts. Some of us have canoes. Some of us are drowning.

B-4

Quote from: srb7677 on October 05, 2022, 10:09:24 PM
Oh yes, Hitler was a Remainer naturally. It's a good job Churchill was a Brexiteer in 1940. The Remainers would have invited Hitler in and offered up to him an improved version of the Straight Banana Directive.
It would have been more gentlemanly to agree with me if you don't have a counter-argument.