Brexit trade talks: EU to back Spain over Gibraltar

[Thomas]

If today is to be believed, johnson is equally pissed at the EU which he says has moved goalposts.



Yes, it's going to be fun.

i take it you didnt see me post this yesterday john...



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and david gauke calling it absolute rubbish....

David Gauke

@DavidGauke

'EU reneges on deal' turns out to mean 'EU maintains its longstanding position to which the UK agreed in the Political Declaration'. Not quite the same thing.

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[Conchúr]

I think we can safely assume that the EU and all it's remaining members will up the anti as far as possible in a last ditch attempt not just to put the frighteners on but to save face. I have always likened it to the Mafia and they continue to behave as such. The more they shout and bellow their demands the more desperate they sound.  They are in a completely new place. They have no idea what we will do and they are facing a UK with a strong Government and no amount of backroom or telephone meetings with people not directly linked to the government will have any bearing.

We need to remember how many from past PMS,  current opposition leaders and a motley crew of gravy train hopefuls were doing their best to bring us to our knees. The electorate finally found the courage to oust them.

To be honest Toots, it looks to me like it's shaping up to be the Irish Border session all over again — a long process of the British government lying to its own people and to its neighbouring countries until the remorseless tide of reality and logic inexorably erodes away the unicorns and soundbites.  



Let's talk objective reality for a second:



1.  Do you believe that Boris is telling the truth when he says that the UK will diverge from EU regulation but that there will still be frictionless trade between NI and the rest of the UK despite the fact that NI is going to remain within the EU regulatory sphere ? Could you explain to me how that makes sense?



2.  Would you like to see the UK get a free trade agreement with the EU like the one Canada enjoys ? The CETA agreement of course contains provision on alignment, for example in Annex 5-D regarding food safety regulation, and CETA also means that ECJ case law can be applicable in Canadian courts in relevant cases.  Johnson and his government say no alignment will be tolerated.  Do you believe him?



Now, put yourself in the shoes of the EU member states when asking yourself those questions and tell me how you might be inclined to feel about them.

[T00ts]

I think we can safely assume that the EU and all it's remaining members will up the anti as far as possible in a last ditch attempt not just to put the frighteners on but to save face. I have always likened it to the Mafia and they continue to behave as such. The more they shout and bellow their demands the more desperate they sound.  They are in a completely new place. They have no idea what we will do and they are facing a UK with a strong Government and no amount of backroom or telephone meetings with people not directly linked to the government will have any bearing.

We need to remember how many from past PMS,  current opposition leaders and a motley crew of gravy train hopefuls were doing their best to bring us to our knees. The electorate finally found the courage to oust them.

[johnofgwent]

John the story itself as you say is about as unsurprising as night follows day , and the reporting can be read from many differing angles on many platforms.



However , we all know already we have had johnson blatantly lie thorugh his teeth to the unionists in northern ireland , which is why they are mightily pissed right off , so i would take anything that man says with a complete pinch of salt over gibraltar or anything else.



Dont be surprised what baubles the tories are happy to give up to keep london happy.

If today is to be believed, johnson is equally pissed at the EU which he says has moved goalposts.



Yes, it's going to be fun.

[Thomas]

Ok Thomas, I fully agree it is not "of no consequence". And I take your point regarding the Irish border and the possibility of another 'selling down the river'



My main issue with the story as reported (not your reporting of it, the story itself) is that it's about as surprising to me as night following day and me losing more and more hair as I get older.....

John the story itself as you say is about as unsurprising as night follows day , and the reporting can be read from many differing angles on many platforms.



However , we all know already we have had johnson blatantly lie through his teeth to the unionists in northern ireland , which is why they are mightily pissed right off , so i would take anything that man says with a complete pinch of salt over gibraltar or anything else.



Dont be surprised what baubles the tories are happy to give up to keep london happy.

[johnofgwent]

Also john i remember years ago on the old forum us having this very same discussion over spain vetoing a uk trade deal over gibraltar. It was brushed under the carpet then as of no consequence by brexiters , and now like many issues rears its ugly head again.

Ok Thomas, I fully agree it is not "of no consequence". And I take your point regarding the Irish border and the possibility of another 'selling down the river'



My main issue with the story as reported (not your reporting of it, the story itself) is that it's about as surprising to me as night following day and me losing more and more hair as I get older.....

[Thomas]

I remember posting polls from two and a half years ago from the wings site that showed brexiters , and the uk public in england in general  , were more than happy to ditch northern ireland over the border issues and scotland  than lose gibraltar to the spanish over any potential trade conflict with the eu .



Here it is back again.

[Thomas]

Also john i remember years ago on the old forum us having this very same discussion over spain vetoing a uk trade deal over gibraltar. It was brushed under the carpet then as of no consequence by brexiters , and now like many issues rears its ugly head again.

[Thomas]

Ok a couple of things.



This is the guardian, the organisation that has for the last five years bankrolled every bollocks to Brexit' / Corbynista activist on the planet including that odious shithead owen Jones whose whiny voice only a mother could love and even then I wonder, whose distress in Dec 13th gave me SO much pleasure I bought a round....



This rag has, from the moment Cameron launched his offer, preached the gospel of "were in the shitter without the EU" and as such is now desperately in need of a "told yer so" story to give the down and out remainers something to restore their anger in their pit of despair....



It is, however, as has been said above, probably the least surprising fact in the entire output from EuroFantasyLand because let's face it, the French take the Spanish side against Britain every time. It would be unheard of for the EU to take our side on anything ...

john come oan , now , lets no fall back on shooting the messenger . Its in loads of papers and loads of websites. heres a few examples....









http://www.thesun.co.uk">www.thesun.co.uk › news › brexit-eu-gibraltar



Brexit – EU 'to back Spain over Gibraltar and give ... - The Sun

1 day ago - THE EU is set to back Spain's claim to Gibraltar and give Madrid the power to exclude the Rock from a post-Brexit trade deal, it is reported.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk">www.dailymail.co.uk › news › article-7956905 › EU-Spains-claim-Gi...



EU 'will back Spain's claim to Gibraltar' | Daily Mail Online

18 hours ago - EU 'will back Spain's claim to Gibraltar and give Madrid the power to exclude the Rock from a future Brexit trade deal' ... The EU is set to back Spain's claim to Gibraltar and give Madrid the power to exclude the Rock from a future Brexit trade deal, according to reports.

http://www.msn.com">www.msn.com › en-gb › news › brexit › ar-BBZxOWo



Brexit trade talks: EU to back Spain over Gibraltar claims

1 day ago - The EU will back Spain over its territorial claims to Gibraltar in the next phase of Brexit negotiations by giving Madrid the power to exclude the British overseas territory from any trade deal struck with Brussels. The Observer has learned that the Spanish government has insisted ...

http://www.express.co.uk">www.express.co.uk › News › UK



EU news: Bitter Brussels will back Spain over UK in Gibraltar ...

2 days ago - But the mood could soon turn bitter once more, as Brussels will likely back Spain in a key border dispute with Britain, and in turn tarnish Boris .





i would hardly say the express and mail for example have bankrolled every bollocks to brexit article over the last few years would you?

[johnofgwent]

All the UK's nukes and other armaments are stored in the middle of the rock.

Well, yes, that's what we tell people up to FOR EYES ONLY.



Personally I can't wait to see the EU try to take the place to equip the army it says it needs to have ....

[johnofgwent]

Is it just me? Why is such credence given to the threats from EU members no matter how outlandish? I am sure each country has it's pet pound of flesh that it would like to chop off the British in the next 11 months. So what?

We haven't even engaged yet madmen are talking up the EU again that they are better, stronger, etc etc etc. It's ridiculous. More fool the EU for washing their linen in public. There will be negotiations. There will needs be some give and take but still the bottom line is that we can simply tell the EU to get lost if they push us too hard.

Ok a couple of things.



This is the guardian, the organisation that has for the last five years bankrolled every bollocks to Brexit' / Corbynista activist on the planet including that odious shithead owen Jones whose whiny voice only a mother could love and even then I wonder, whose distress in Dec 13th gave me SO much pleasure I bought a round....



This rag has, from the moment Cameron launched his offer, preached the gospel of "were in the shitter without the EU" and as such is now desperately in need of a "told yer so" story to give the down and out remainers something to restore their anger in their pit of despair....



It is, however, as has been said above, probably the least surprising fact in the entire output from EuroFantasyLand because let's face it, the French take the Spanish side against Britain every time. It would be unheard of for the EU to take our side on anything ...

[T00ts]

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foibles? jesus thats an understatement.



I do so love the experience of  the Peenemunde Harpsichord Festival where I normally have  the enthralling experience of hearing several of Buxtehude's pieces adapted. Enchanting. ::



Try saying that in a glaswegian accent .



Did you know we glaswegians cannae pronounce the english christian name Karl? It sound like carol ! ::  :-?

You deserve modding - behave!  :kikass:

[Thomas]

Behave - we all have different foibles.

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foibles? jesus thats an understatement.



I do so love the experience of  the Peenemunde Harpsichord Festival where I normally have  the enthralling experience of hearing several of Buxtehude's pieces adapted. Enchanting. ::



Try saying that in a glaswegian accent .



Did you know we glaswegians cannae pronounce the english christian name Karl? It sound like carol ! ::  :-?

[T00ts]

::  i know toots you know whit i mean scotland and england.



perhaps the baron could give us his perusal and appraisal of the dire  , foul,  situation at the moment.? ::

Behave - we all have different foibles.

[Thomas]

Thomas we means whoever not you and me!  ::

 ::  i know toots you know whit i mean scotland and england.



perhaps the baron could give us his perusal and appraisal of the dire  , foul,  situation at the moment.? ::