Slow walkers have slower minds, scientists reveal

[Wiggles]

Never mind the slow walkers, let's eradicate slow drivers.



Yesterday, for six miles I got stuck behind a camper van. I don't mind doing 30 mph in a 30 mph limit, and the same goes for 40 mph in a 40 mph limit, but I do get wound up when I am forced to drive at 38 mph in a 60 mph limit. The camper van in question was breaking at every slight bend, and the queue behind it was getting longer and longer. Eventually there was a straight bit of road, and I overtook the said doing less than 40 mph on a straight bit of road. As I overtook it, the person who was driving it started blowing the horn. Of course, I replied in the only way I knew, and that was to give them the five fingered shuffle. Shortly after I arrived home, the vehicle in question drew up outside my house, turned around and drove off. It took me ten minutes realise it belonged to the couple who live ten properties away. Whoops, I may have to walk another route when going to the pub later  

[Major Sinic]

Thomas, size isn't everything you know. They always used to say it wasn't the size of your brain but how you used it! Or was that some something else?

[Baron von Lotsov]

Even on things like the olympic games

Manchester is an interesting place to study. Since I was there I check to see what it is like now and what has changed, and on Oxford Road, which at one time used to have takeaways, and one or two old junk shops on it, it has seen some crazy spaceage Olympic building spring up and made from £££££ that the local shopkeepers of old could never have imagined. Off the top of my head, I'd say at least £100m was ploughed into it. It will probably hardly be used now. The waste of government is phenomenal, and why people are so poor. They are like grandiose monuments of minister's egos.

[T00ts]

Gosh Thomas is that an entry for the Dafters Awards?

aye toots we are calling it the sponging whinging cockney bastard awards. :hattip



The short arms deep pocket awards?

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[Thomas]

Gosh Thomas is that an entry for the Dafters Awards?

aye toots we are calling it the sponging whinging cockney bastard awards. :hattip



The short arms deep pocket awards?

[T00ts]

Gosh Thomas is that an entry for the Dafters Awards?

[Thomas]

You might want to take a look around Devon on Streetview one day if you live nowhere near. Look at the infrastructure provided by the state. You'll probably start to notice things like sign posts are about 70 years old at least, possibly even Victorian. Nothing is new at all. State money does not reach the countryside, but now try looking around say Hulme in Manchester and see how much state infrastructure you can find and see how much you think it cost. I think Cornwall is similar. it's a long way from Westminster you see.



Mind you, in one sense it is a blessing in disguise, since looking around Hulme, the multimillion pound state developments are things like propaganda centres and the like. They provide jobs, but little else that the society could utilise, where as Devon and Cornwall have kind of kept their more beautiful older styles. They knew how to build good looking things a hundred years ago. These places are frozen in time.

I havent been to devon and cornwall for years , beautifull areas .



Thats the point im making though , streetwalker is a good guy , but this idea he is punting like many other londoners that they subsidise everyone else is laughable.



Even on things like the olympic games , we in scotland and of course many of the other people in other parts of england and wales had to subsidise london yet again on a per capita basis , yet when glasgow held the commonwealth games london didnt pay a penny towards it.



good article here....



the richest households in the uk...





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Data from the UK Government's Office for National Statistics demonstrates in simple terms the distribution of personal wealth in the UK.  It is clear to see that London and the south are by far the wealthiest parts of the UK.  Not just the south east but the South West as well.



Clearly the further north you go the lower the distribution of wealthy households and this matches other research that shows overall lower average household wealth, and lower the average household income in the north.

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No surprises there then!  However, when you compare the map of where the wealth ends up with a map of where the UK's wealth is generated, they don't tell the same story.  The union drains wealth from Scotland.



The second map (Eurostat Regional GDP per capita) shows clearly that, in terms of wealth per head, the Scottish central belt generates as much wealth as much of London and the South. Also Scotland's north east is (perhaps not surprisingly) one of the best performing economic areas in the UK.  Now look again at the first map and ask yourself, "why doesn't Scotland's wealth stay in Scotland"?



It becomes clear that we are only better together if you believe that London is entitled to the lion's share of Scotland's wealth.  The Jimmy Reid Foundation, a new and increasingly well respected think-tank, published a report in June 2013 demonstrating this wealth drain and the resulting under-performance of Scotland's economy.  It highlighted that Scotland's economy would be 25% larger than it is today in the absence of the historic and present union wealth drain.

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obviously its a scotland centric article  , but if you look at the argument  , streetwalker is right to say london and the south east is where the vast majority of the wealth that is generated ends up , but other parts of england and scotland are the ones generating a lot of the wealth.



London is a black hole sucking the rest of us dry.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Im deadly serious streetwalker.



London and the south east relies heavily not just on private money , but massive amounts of public money which is highly disproportionate to what is spent on everyone else.



A guy on one of the scottish forums did a cracking post with links a few years back showing how london benefits disproportionately to everyone else.



He showed over decades how london had had on average nearly twice as much spent on it compared to the rest , on things such as schools ,and massive amount spent on infrastructure which raises the productivity of the private sector.

You might want to take a look around Devon on Streetview one day if you live nowhere near. Look at the infrastructure provided by the state. You'll probably start to notice things like sign posts are about 70 years old at least, possibly even Victorian. Nothing is new at all. State money does not reach the countryside, but now try looking around say Hulme in Manchester and see how much state infrastructure you can find and see how much you think it cost. I think Cornwall is similar. it's a long way from Westminster you see.



Mind you, in one sense it is a blessing in disguise, since looking around Hulme, the multimillion pound state developments are things like propaganda centres and the like. They provide jobs, but little else that the society could utilise, where as Devon and Cornwall have kind of kept their more beautiful older styles. They knew how to build good looking things a hundred years ago. These places are frozen in time.

[Thomas]

You are joking mate , it might be a shitehole but its the golden goose shitehole that supports the rest of the UK and for that matter Europe .



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/london-uk-economy-decentralisation">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ralisation">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/london-uk-economy-decentralisation

Im deadly serious streetwalker.



London and the south east relies heavily not just on private money , but massive amounts of public money which is highly disproportionate to what is spent on everyone else.



A guy on one of the scottish forums did a cracking post with links a few years back showing how london benefits disproportionately to everyone else.



He showed over decades how london had had on average nearly twice as much spent on it compared to the rest , on things such as schools ,and massive amount spent on infrastructure which raises the productivity of the private sector.



I think it was economists such as a guy known as fred harrison who among others said london gets far too much taxpayers money spent on it , and if it was equalled out over the years , london would not be so rich because of it nor the others so poor.



You forget my wife and her family are from the south east of england , and i remember the moans and groans about how london would benefit from billions being spent on things like hs2 , a toy train set to track in a load of brummies to work in london while over in east anglia they have been crying out for upgrading on the a14 , one of the main trunk routes from the south east ports , and were told by the government they couldnt afford it and would have to pay for it by toll roads of which many business in the south east massively protested.



This myth you all like to believe that london just merrily goes along generating vast mounts of wealth without massive input from taxpayers all around the uk is laughable.



Its a black hole that has been draining wealth energy resources from every one else for generations.



It was well known in the schools in the english counties around london that money for years was being drained from them to support the inner city shitholes in your old city. Another subsidy.



Its that good mate you have soon fecked off out of it. ::



Old old discussion , if we dont get indy im coming along to john of gwents way of thinking about evacuating all the decent londoners , building a wall around it , chiselling the place out and floating it down the feckin thames.

"we see that public expenditure on a per capita basis is more than twice invested in London than other regions in the transport and housing sectors."



"thanks to the tax system - that there is an automatic bias in directing investment towards London."



"[London] in the growth years, makes a net contribution to the public coffers between 2 billion and £9 billion. This is disingenuous. The calculation ignores the capital gains that flow from public spending. Public money invested in London yields huge gains in the private sector - in the appreciation in capital assets - that far exceed the financial subsidies that are transferred to the regions."



The reason capital is not so readily invested in the North is that the privileged aggregation of rents at the centre [London] creates benefits such as the public subsidies to transport, and the opportunity to claw back one's tax payments as capital gains. This set of incentives encourages the financial institutions to concentrate close to each other in these areas. The cumulative effect is bias towards the centre [London].



"In addition to private money, the people of the south east also relied on the expendature of public money"



"The unequal distribution of opportunities is primarily to do with the bias in taxation and public spending. Not the defects in transport systems or the superior talents of the people of the south east."



"The subsequent lopsided evolution of the economy was due to a flaw in the buisness model that was employed to fund the investment of capital in infrastructure.



"One illustration of the favourable tax tratment directed at Docklands, which was deemed necessary to expand the commercial space available for insurance and banking corporations. £3.4 billion was invested in the Jubilee Line extension to Canary Warf, while other centres of high population (such as Liverpool) were denied a few hundred million pounds for the metros they needed."



The Thatcher government decided in 1980 that London's Docklands should be redeveloped. Its primary tool stood justice on its head. Instead of imposing public charge on vacant land - to force it into new uses [this also stops land speculating and financial crashes] - the government created an enterprise zone. One of the privileges was exemption from property taxation.



The result was predictable. Tax relief was capitalised into higher land values, and families which for generations had made Docklands their homes were pressurised out of the area. Those who did not own land were the losers. The windfall gains did enrich some people. Arnold Fulton purchased a plot of land in a derelict corner of Docklands for £650,000. Developers pursued him fending off their offers until he took £30 million.



In London, however, a higher proportion of public money devoted to improving the quality of transport and schools. This raises the productive capacity of the population working in the capital. The spin-off takes the form of capital gains to land owners. And that means Londoners are more able to to claw back the taxes they paid to the exchequer, leaving them with higher disposable incomes to be spent in the retail sectors - which, through the multipier effect, gives a further boost to the London economy.

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[Cassie]

You are joking mate , it might be a shitehole but its the golden goose shitehole that supports the rest of the UK and for that matter Europe .



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/london-uk-economy-decentralisation">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ralisation">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/london-uk-economy-decentralisation



Get rid of all the homeless eastern Europeans ,Asians and Northerners and we would have a couple of tramps under Battersea bridge left to look after .All the soup kitchens and homeless hostels would be shut down overnight .

It's probably largely true. It's a magnet.

The streets are paved with gold, until they get there, then it's a jungle.

[T00ts]

London is one of the biggest shitholes in europe if not the western world. Its particularly galling the amount of money london sucks in from the rest of the uk , yet in almost every avenue of life, it is one of the most dirty crime ridden shitholes in western society.



Last time i was there , you couldnt find a shop front on oxford street that wasnt being used as a homeless shelter. Bins overflowing , dirty streets , thats before you even talk about crime drugs and pollution.



...and they have the cheek to stereotype the scottish over buckfast ::

You are joking mate , it might be a shitehole but its the golden goose shitehole that supports the rest of the UK and for that matter Europe .



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/london-uk-economy-decentralisation">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ralisation">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/london-uk-economy-decentralisation



Get rid of all the homeless eastern Europeans ,Asians and Northerners and we would have a couple of tramps under Battersea bridge left to look after .All the soup kitchens and homeless hostels would be shut down overnight .

It's probably largely true. It's a magnet.

[Streetwalker]

London is one of the biggest shitholes in europe if not the western world. Its particularly galling the amount of money london sucks in from the rest of the uk , yet in almost every avenue of life, it is one of the most dirty crime ridden shitholes in western society.



Last time i was there , you couldnt find a shop front on oxford street that wasnt being used as a homeless shelter. Bins overflowing , dirty streets , thats before you even talk about crime drugs and pollution.



...and they have the cheek to stereotype the scottish over buckfast ::

You are joking mate , it might be a shitehole but its the golden goose shitehole that supports the rest of the UK and for that matter Europe .



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/london-uk-economy-decentralisation">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ralisation">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/20/london-uk-economy-decentralisation



Get rid of all the homeless eastern Europeans ,Asians and Northerners and we would have a couple of tramps under Battersea bridge left to look after .All the soup kitchens and homeless hostels would be shut down overnight .

[Cassie]

I do everything at lightening speed, except running at the moment, does that make me dead clever?

[T00ts]

Oh Thomas - don't be jealous! When we leave and you get independence and all the immigration comes to Scotland, well then perhaps Edinburgh or even Glasgow will be the proud claimant for London's title!

I know toots dont take offence .Just a bit of banter with me old pal streetwalker.



To be fair , we know exactly what it was like .



The point im making in all seriousness is that we seemed to have dragged ourselves out the gutter we were in during the eighties , under dear old labour , and now london seems to have taken over the title glasgow once held.



The point im also making is the old stereotypes about glasgow are now out of date.



Streetwalker may have forgotton , but i worked with londoners years ago  in colchester , and even then they were all moving out of london because of the state it was in.



What was it they called it .... "the white flight"? Now even streetwalker has moved  down to leafy surrey? ::



If anything london has gotten worse over the years , and to think of all that money it sucks in  , apart from the square mile and phil the greeks pad , none of that cash seems to be trickling down to ordinary londoners.

No offence taken. I am a born and bred Londoner and loved it for many years and even when I moved on I looked forward to the many trips back that I took each year. Sadly what you say is only too true and I worry each day that my SIL travels to work in the City.

[Thomas]

Oh Thomas - don't be jealous! When we leave and you get independence and all the immigration comes to Scotland, well then perhaps Edinburgh or even Glasgow will be the proud claimant for London's title!

I know toots dont take offence .Just a bit of banter with me old pal streetwalker.



To be fair , we know exactly what it was like .



The point im making in all seriousness is that we seemed to have dragged ourselves out the gutter we were in during the eighties , under dear old labour , and now london seems to have taken over the title glasgow once held.



The point im also making is the old stereotypes about glasgow are now out of date.



Streetwalker may have forgotton , but i worked with londoners years ago  in colchester , and even then they were all moving out of london because of the state it was in.



What was it they called it .... "the white flight"? Now even streetwalker has moved  down to leafy surrey? ::



If anything london has gotten worse over the years , and to think of all that money it sucks in  , apart from the square mile and phil the greeks pad , none of that cash seems to be trickling down to ordinary londoners.