Domestic Electric Car charging point.

[patman post]

Meanwhile back in today's world, LB of Hackney is looking at practical ways of reducing pollution and traffic. I find out today that terrace house dwellers with EVs will be allowed to connect charging leads to their own electrical supply if there are suitable safeguards...

[Barry]

That would take the next 100 years! We'll all be driverless and travelling of travelators before then.

If they had put the cables in whilst doing smart motorways it would at least be done on the M roads.

I'm not 100% sure of the feasibility but I'm sure better brains than mine will look into it. Having the power constantly available from Overhead, embedded rails or the like, makes sense as there is less chance of running out. It would just need the battery to get from a dwelling onto a fed main road. All cars would have to have electricity meters to charge for the charge.  :idea:

[patman post]

Well whatever the method, my point is that an external constant (or near constant) power source seems far more practical than a battery system.



I have only just discovered the technological wizardry which is the induction hob!

I can see how that works, but it is all or nothing for the entire plate being used..

Does current induction technology allow for thousands of small, moving, access points along a cable system?



If not then it becomes a choice between overhead cable or third rail.......

Using that technology would appear to warm your butt or boil your corn — but is it a feasible way to deliver energy to a battery...?

[Sampanviking]

Contact is not necessary. How about induction from cables under the road? Battery back up for when power is lost.

Well whatever the method, my point is that an external constant (or near constant) power source seems far more practical than a battery system.



I have only just discovered the technological wizardry which is the induction hob!

I can see how that works, but it is all or nothing for the entire plate being used..

Does current induction technology allow for thousands of small, moving, access points along a cable system?



If not then it becomes a choice between overhead cable or third rail.......

[T00ts]

Contact is not necessary. How about induction from cables under the road? Battery back up for when power is lost.

That would take the next 100 years! We'll all be driverless and travelling of travelators before then.

[Barry]

Not so much advocating as unable to see any other practical way of delivering the system.

Contact is not necessary. How about induction from cables under the road? Battery back up for when power is lost.

[Sampanviking]

Don't understand — are you advocating trolley bus type pick up for vehicles...?



PS: there are electric buses in Italy that run off overhead cables and can also move autonomously with their on-board batteries.

Not so much advocating as unable to see any other practical way of delivering the system.

[patman post]

the more I look into this, the more I become convinced that for any system to work in this country, it will need to install overhead cables in pretty much every road and street in the UK.



Reasons are simple.

There will not be enough dedicated charge points and the competition/abuse of communal ones will be beyond any form of joke.

If you think queuing to use a petrol pump for two minutes is bad enough, just think how queuing for a few hours at a charge point will be like!



I can also think os some advantages for overhead power supply for electric vehicles.

1) No need for massive heavy batteries, this making vehicles much lighter and needing less power to move.

2) If you think the power surge caused by 5 million kettles being switched on during a commercial break is bad, wait till ten million plus car plug in every evening when they get home! Overheads will smooth out the peaks and troughs of demand and keep it in base load, this lowering the cost.

Don't understand — are you advocating trolley bus type pick up for vehicles...?



PS: there are electric buses in Italy that run off overhead cables and can also move autonomously with their on-board batteries.

[Sampanviking]

the more I look into this, the more I become convinced that for any system to work in this country, it will need to install overhead cables in pretty much every road and street in the UK.



Reasons are simple.

There will not be enough dedicated charge points and the competition/abuse of communal ones will be beyond any form of joke.

If you think queuing to use a petrol pump for two minutes is bad enough, just think how queuing for a few hours at a charge point will be like!



I can also think os some advantages for overhead power supply for electric vehicles.

1) No need for massive heavy batteries, this making vehicles much lighter and needing less power to move.

2) If you think the power surge caused by 5 million kettles being switched on during a commercial break is bad, wait till ten million plus car plug in every evening when they get home! Overheads will smooth out the peaks and troughs of demand and keep it in base load, this lowering the cost.

[patman post]

Perhaps rather than hanging folk from lamp posts they could put charging points on them instead  

It's happening in Hackney. Some residential streets have charging points in every other lamp post (possibly makes the occasional canine territory marker yelp). The only problem is most street parking spaces are taken up by non EV/hybrid vehicles. Perhaps — like Disabled Bays — certain bays could/should be for chargeable vehicles only.



Chemistry and physics are not my forté, but perhaps coastal residents could encourage a car manufacturer to produce electric versions of the plastic Bond, Reliant or Trabant, or fit a zinc sacrificial plate to "normal" EVs...

[GregB]

It is quite clear the cardigan wearers intend to put non Londoners under what is pretty much house arrest



Time for some hangings.

Perhaps rather than hanging folk from lamp posts they could put charging points on them instead  

[johnofgwent]

That does seem quite a challenge for such folk but there's a few years yet sort it out.

It is quite clear the cardigan wearers intend to put non Londoners under what is pretty much house arrest



Time for some hangings.

[GregB]

It looks to me as if government will have to have a rethink, especially given the millions of vehicles that are parked out on the street, with no designated parking space.

That does seem quite a challenge for such folk but there's a few years yet sort it out.

[GregB]

You should be able to charge using a standard ringmain if you get the smaller charger unit which should be fine if your generally able to charge overnight.



Smallest unit is 3.6kw which is likely just over the limit for a ringmain although the detail in the link for that states you may not get the full 3.6kw rate if your cable is a limiting factor it sounds like the charger is configurable to limit output based on your cable size. If you have a standard ringmain in your garage you should be able to charge at 3kw no problem.



https://pod-point.com/products/homecharge">https://pod-point.com/products/homecharge

[papasmurf]

It looks as though you'll be sticking with runny fuel then.

It looks to me as if government will have to have a rethink, especially given the millions of vehicles that are parked out on the street, with no designated parking space.