Trawler-men are moaning gits.

[Nick]

I haven't been for a while but my old man was a keen angler and he always told me that anything under 12'' had to go back . Don't know if that was the rules or just his own standards but looking at the fishmongers display these days I reckon things have changed one way or the other

There is a list issued by the fisheries outlining every fishes minimum size, if you get caught with anything undersized there are heavy penalties, and quite rightly in my view. 

[srb7677]

....anything under 12'' had to go back....

I am sure there are some women who think that.

[Streetwalker]

The U.K. min size for Bass is 420mm, the farmed ones I've seen in fishmongers are lucky if they are 200. The Tesco near me had them labelled as wild Bass, I took a photo and informed the guy that he was either mis-selling farmed Bass as wild or he was selling illegal fish, which was it? He whipped the sign away and replaced it with a farmed Bass sign.

I haven't been for a while but my old man was a keen angler and he always told me that anything under 12'' had to go back . Don't know if that was the rules or just his own standards but looking at the fishmongers display these days I reckon things have changed one way or the other

[Nick]

I suspect that in the next few years farmed fish, which already account for a sizeable proportion of the stuff we buy, will increase dramatically. No problem there, except the best place to farm fish is in a loch and the best places for Lochs are in Scotland and that means that Thomas will be nigh on unbearable.

The U.K. min size for Bass is 420mm, the farmed ones I've seen in fishmongers are lucky if they are 200. The Tesco near me had them labelled as wild Bass, I took a photo and informed the guy that he was either mis-selling farmed Bass as wild or he was selling illegal fish, which was it? He whipped the sign away and replaced it with a farmed Bass sign.

[Streetwalker]

I suspect that in the next few years farmed fish, which already account for a sizeable proportion of the stuff we buy, will increase dramatically. No problem there, except the best place to farm fish is in a loch and the best places for Lochs are in Scotland and that means that Thomas will be nigh on unbearable.

Nurse , nurse ! 

Thomas fecked off years ago , not even my periodic anti sweaty  post has been able to entice him back . Maybe we need a bigger hook ?
Anyway you cant farm fish in the lochs , freshwater and all that, alright for a few carp for the Eastern Europe market but nothing we are too keen on 

[Borchester]

The over arching problem is that globally the human race is overfishing, and fish stocks are becoming depleted. Ever more pollution being pumped into
I suspect that in the next few years farmed fish, which already account for a sizeable proportion of the stuff we buy, will increase dramatically. No problem there, except the best place to farm fish is in a loch and the best places for Lochs are in Scotland and that means that Thomas will be nigh on unbearable. the sea by ever more of us is unlikely to be helping, and warming seas are also quite probably upsetting the b
I suspect that in the next few years farmed fish, which already account for a sizeable proportion of the stuff we buy, will increase dramatically. No problem there, except the best place to farm fish is in a loch and the best places for Lochs are in Scotland and that means that Thomas will be nigh on unbearable.alance of the sea food chain. The fact that stocks are diminishing and catches have to be restricted to avoid this rapidly getting worse is the major reason why many types of fish, particularly cod and haddock, are so expensive now. I certainly eat less fish than I used to due to this. It is also why some fish and chip shops are offering cheaper options like hake, and why in the last couple of decades many supermarkets have started stocking cheaper alternatives from elsewhere, eg Basa, both smoked and unsmoked, which I believe is a freshwater fish from south east Asia.

Global over-population is a big problem that the powers that be do not seem to be addressing. Not only is this contributing to depleted stocks of fish in the sea, but is also inevitably having an upwards impact on human carbon emissions. After all, if we all halved our carbon footprints, we'd still be pumping out just as much as we did when there were half as many of us.

I suspect that in the next few years farmed fish, which already account for a sizeable proportion of the stuff we buy, will increase dramatically. No problem there, except the best place to farm fish is in a loch and the best places for Lochs are in Scotland and that means that Thomas will be nigh on unbearable.

[srb7677]

Global warming is having almost zero effect on fish, there used to be an abundance of Bluefin Tuna in British waters 60 years ago, they are now making a comeback. Once you move into deeper waters you are talking 600 to 800 years for the sea to change temperature, any changes that are occurring now are nothing to do with anthropogenic CO2, it's an event that happened centuries ago. Microplastics and population is a whole different argument and cannot be addressed by the U.K., India and China own the majority of that issue and we have no chance of influencing it. Are you going to ask the poorest nations in the world to clean their act up and become even poorer? We've done it in Africa with power, telling them they can't have power stations and have to use the most expensive form of energy there is, Solar!!

No time to say a lot now because I have to leave for work imminently.

But I understand that we and many other developed nations are not the ones providing most of the increases in population. Most of the increased numbers here are due to net inward migration, a combination mostly of both highly skilled, and cheap unskilled, labour from elsewhere.

A whole lot more could be said in response to both your post and my response to it but alas that will have to wait until I have more time.

[Nick]

The over arching problem is that globally the human race is overfishing, and fish stocks are becoming depleted. Ever more pollution being pumped into the sea by ever more of us is unlikely to be helping, and warming seas are also quite probably upsetting the balance of the sea food chain. The fact that stocks are diminishing and catches have to be restricted to avoid this rapidly getting worse is the major reason why many types of fish, particularly cod and haddock, are so expensive now. I certainly eat less fish than I used to due to this. It is also why some fish and chip shops are offering cheaper options like hake, and why in the last couple of decades many supermarkets have started stocking cheaper alternatives from elsewhere, eg Basa, both smoked and unsmoked, which I believe is a freshwater fish from south east Asia.

Global over-population is a big problem that the powers that be do not seem to be addressing. Not only is this contributing to depleted stocks of fish in the sea, but is also inevitably having an upwards impact on human carbon emissions. After all, if we all halved our carbon footprints, we'd still be pumping out just as much as we did when there were half as many of us.

Global warming is having almost zero effect on fish, there used to be an abundance of Bluefin Tuna in British waters 60 years ago, they are now making a comeback. Once you move into deeper waters you are talking 600 to 800 years for the sea to change temperature, any changes that are occurring now are nothing to do with anthropogenic CO2, it's an event that happened centuries ago. Microplastics and population is a whole different argument and cannot be addressed by the U.K., India and China own the majority of that issue and we have no chance of influencing it. Are you going to ask the poorest nations in the world to clean their act up and become even poorer? We've done it in Africa with power, telling them they can't have power stations and have to use the most expensive form of energy there is, Solar!!

[srb7677]

The over arching problem is that globally the human race is overfishing, and fish stocks are becoming depleted. Ever more pollution being pumped into the sea by ever more of us is unlikely to be helping, and warming seas are also quite probably upsetting the balance of the sea food chain. The fact that stocks are diminishing and catches have to be restricted to avoid this rapidly getting worse is the major reason why many types of fish, particularly cod and haddock, are so expensive now. I certainly eat less fish than I used to due to this. It is also why some fish and chip shops are offering cheaper options like hake, and why in the last couple of decades many supermarkets have started stocking cheaper alternatives from elsewhere, eg Basa, both smoked and unsmoked, which I believe is a freshwater fish from south east Asia.

Global over-population is a big problem that the powers that be do not seem to be addressing. Not only is this contributing to depleted stocks of fish in the sea, but is also inevitably having an upwards impact on human carbon emissions. After all, if we all halved our carbon footprints, we'd still be pumping out just as much as we did when there were half as many of us.

[Nick]

Dont think you would catch many bivalve mollusc's with a rod and line nick , be a bit tricky baiting up the hook with mud  

Trouble with line fishing is that they catch a lot of undersized fish ,reduced quotas maybe ,I don't know but you would have thought the fishermen would be the best people to manage the stock but from what you saying it would appear not .

I have actually pulled up bivalves on rod and line, along with Squid/Octopus, but it is very very few and far between, when the bait is dropped on top of them. Cockles can be dug at low tide, Razor Clams need a bit of salt down the hole at equinox tides and Mussels are everywhere. I'm sure the human race can live without Scallops for a while in order for the ocean floor to recover, the damage is catastrophic. 

[Nick]

I don't know anything about this subject, but as Smurf is on holiday, I'd just like to suggest it's the Tories to blame.

The reason Smurf is on holiday is for that exact sentiment, if he ever learns to construct a reasonable argument he would find his path a lot smoother. I won't hold my breath, I'll go blue and die. 

[Barry]

I don't know anything about this subject, but as Smurf is on holiday, I'd just like to suggest it's the Tories to blame. 

[Streetwalker]

Just watch about the Cornish fishing fleet out of Mevagissey, I don't think one of them understands economics. They're saying how great it was before the EU when they could fill their boat every trip, now the catch is not the same, are they stupid or what? You've raped the sea, lied to the tax man for decades and now you're complaining 🤦. Are they really that thick? Every time they fish for Scallops they destroy the sea bed for 10 years, how is this type of fishing still legal, most of the by-catch goes back dead, which does keep it in the food chain but still, no ethics what so ever. Let's have 10 years of rod and line fishing only, let the seas recover.

Dont think you would catch many bivalve mollusc's with a rod and line nick , be a bit tricky baiting up the hook with mud    

Trouble with line fishing is that they catch a lot of undersized fish ,reduced quotas maybe ,I don't know but you would have thought the fishermen would be the best people to manage the stock but from what you saying it would appear not .

[Nick]

Just watch about the Cornish fishing fleet out of Mevagissey, I don't think one of them understands economics. They're saying how great it was before the EU when they could fill their boat every trip, now the catch is not the same, are they stupid or what? You've raped the sea, lied to the tax man for decades and now you're complaining 🤦. Are they really that thick? Every time they fish for Scallops they destroy the sea bed for 10 years, how is this type of fishing still legal, most of the by-catch goes back dead, which does keep it in the food chain but still, no ethics what so ever. Let's have 10 years of rod and line fishing only, let the seas recover.