British Muslim communities feeling ‘deeply unsettled’ in the UK

[Streetwalker]

Let me be clear, I am not attempting to pin on you sympathy with the rioters but do have suspicions triggered by your attempts at whataboutery.

Though at least you are not attempting to deny the very existence of a far right.

When people do talk such obvious shit as that which streetwalker is doing, it tends to trigger negative responses from me of a kind that would ultimately result in me concluding I'd be happier not coming here at all. I will debate honestly with anyone but have very little tolerance for absolute bollocks spoken out of someone's arse. If someone denies actual facts they don't like, intelligent debate becomes impossible and it riles me.

For this reason I am calling it a night here for now after first adding streetwalker to my ignore list


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Thank you for confirming to everyone that what I say is absolutely correct . Rather than debate in an honest fashion and confront the truth of the matter you are following the labour line that there is some monster out there called the 'far right '  that must be shut down . Never mind that our young families can't get affordable housing or a doctors appointment this side of Christmas .Don't worry about the violent crime we see every day in our cities and the machete carrying gangs that are left unchallenged in our high streets . 
But feck me challenge government inaction on mass immigration and you're  far right and need to be arrested and fast tracked through the courts 

What you  need to do is name the 'far right ' who are these people ? What political party do they vote for , indeed is there one because without any structure they don't exist apart from in the minds of a few idiots  and the political left that seeks to shut down debate 

Just listen to yourself man , a reply taken straight out of the socialist worker manual with a few lovely words of endearment . I obviously hit a nerve .

Give your head a wobble 

Oh Ive just realised I'm on ignore , oh well not unexpected , more far left reasoning , if you cant shut the debate down I'll just put my fingers in my ears and stop listening .
 And that's the problem 

[cromwell]

Let me be clear, I am not attempting to pin on you sympathy with the rioters but do have suspicions triggered by your attempts at whataboutery.

Though at least you are not attempting to deny the very existence of a far right.

When people do talk such obvious shit as that which streetwalker is doing, it tends to trigger negative responses from me of a kind that would ultimately result in me concluding I'd be happier not coming here at all. I will debate honestly with anyone but have very little tolerance for absolute bollocks spoken out of someone's arse. If someone denies actual facts they don't like, intelligent debate becomes impossible and it riles me.

For this reason I am calling it a night here for now after first adding streetwalker to my ignore list

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Steve please pm me

[srb7677]

I'm not trying to pin anything on you I was pointing out that much of what he posted is true,it does seem however (that in bold)you are trying to pin on me sympathy with the rioters and on many occasions I have made it clear I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

Let me be clear, I am not attempting to pin on you sympathy with the rioters but do have suspicions triggered by your attempts at whataboutery.

Though at least you are not attempting to deny the very existence of a far right.

When people do talk such obvious shit as that which streetwalker is doing, it tends to trigger negative responses from me of a kind that would ultimately result in me concluding I'd be happier not coming here at all. I will debate honestly with anyone but have very little tolerance for absolute bollocks spoken out of someone's arse. If someone denies actual facts they don't like, intelligent debate becomes impossible and it riles me.

For this reason I am calling it a night here for now after first adding streetwalker to my ignore list


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[srb7677]

Labour are trying to use a few thugs to demonise the right wing of politics and to shut down right wing opposition .The 'far right ' didn't turn up in the week because they don't exist ,certainly not in any numbers anyway .
The populist right is many though and it is they that labour are frightened of and it is they who are being corralled into the 'far right' so they can be shut down

Any professional political analyst would recognise that right away

Bullshit. Labour and anyone else is right to demonise the far right who along with rent a mob were mostly who turned up.

Just because they share your politics does not change  that. The far right do not exist? Don't be a prat all your life. Of course they exist. 

[Streetwalker]

I never said he was. But justifying one brand of extremist because another lot is worse, and trying to claim that the former does not actually exist on that basis, is the worst kind of whataboutery.

Because I recognise far right racist scum for what they are does not mean I think Islamic extremist scum are any better. I see them as scum too. So stop trying to pin on me the tag of apologist for Islamic extremism just because I recognise the racist far right as scum too.

Anyone trying to make that point is someone whose motives I find deeply suspect, because it tends to suggest some sort of sympathy with the bigotries of the far right scum.

Any professional psychologist would recognise that right away.

Labour are trying to use a few thugs to demonise the right wing of politics and to shut down right wing opposition .The 'far right ' didn't turn up in the week because they don't exist ,certainly not in any numbers anyway .
The populist right is many though and it is they that labour are frightened of and it is they who are being corralled into the 'far right' so they can be shut down 

Any professional political analyst would recognise that right away 

[cromwell]

I never said he was. But justifying one brand of extremist because another lot is worse, and trying to claim that the former does not actually exist on that basis, is the worst kind of whataboutery.

Because I recognise far right racist scum for what they are does not mean I think Islamic extremist scum are any better. I see them as scum too. So stop trying to pin on me the tag of apologist for Islamic extremism just because I recognise the racist far right as scum too.

Anyone trying to make that point is someone whose motives I find deeply suspect, because it tends to suggest some sort of sympathy with the bigotries of the far right scum.

Any professional psychologist would recognise that right away.

I'm not trying to pin anything on you I was pointing out that much of what he posted is true,it does seem however (that in bold)you are trying to pin on me sympathy with the rioters and on many occasions I have made it clear I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

[srb7677]

He's not wrong that it is Muslim terrorist who blew up kids at the Manchester arena
nor that in 2005 they detonated three bombs on the London underground then one on a bus or that they make up a large part of the MI5 watchlist and were responsible for grooming gangs.

I never said he was. But justifying one brand of extremist because another lot is worse, and trying to claim that the former does not actually exist on that basis, is the worst kind of whataboutery. 

Because I recognise far right racist scum for what they are does not mean I think Islamic extremist scum are any better. I see them as scum too. So stop trying to pin on me the tag of apologist for Islamic extremism just because I recognise the racist far right as scum too. 

Anyone trying to make that point is someone whose motives I find deeply suspect, because it tends to suggest some sort of sympathy with the bigotries of the far right scum.

Any professional psychologist would recognise that right away. 

[Streetwalker]

What I'd take issue with there is that we don't know that the youth who has been arrested for the Southport stabbing is a Muslim,I actually doubt he is.

Fair enough , I'll put that on hold .

[Streetwalker]

You appear to be identifying yourself with a bunch of racist thugs. The far right demonstrably does exist, there have been far right terrorist attacks for one thing. Or was Jo Cox murdered by a figment of my imagination? Or people attacking the police after giving Nazi salutes, with swastikas tattooed on their bodies? Guess I imagined that too. And the fact that known racist extremists who were members of far right groups banned for planning or committing terroristic acts were present at the riots. Guess that didnt actually happen either.

And trying to set fire to hotels full of people, and all the rest of it is ok because they are on your side?

You have disgraced yourself with the above post.

Im not identifying myself with anything ,Im saying what the muslims are 'deeply unsettled ' about doesn't exist .

The few idiots you talk about are just that ,knuckle dragers  without a clue .They probably couldn't give you one reason why they are going to these protests apart from for the ruck with the old bill .These are the people that actually keep those of right wing political beliefs away from any demonstrations . They are very much NOT on my side .

[cromwell]

You appear to be identifying yourself with a bunch of racist thugs. The far right demonstrably does exist, there have been far right terrorist attacks for one thing. Or was Jo Cox murdered by a figment of my imagination? Or people attacking the police after giving Nazi salutes, with swastikas tattooed on their bodies? Guess I imagined that too. And the fact that known racist extremists who were members of far right groups banned for planning or committing terroristic acts were present at the riots. Guess that didnt actually happen either.

And trying to set fire to hotels full of people, and all the rest of it is ok because they are on your side?

You have disgraced yourself with the above post.

He's not wrong that it is Muslim terrorist who blew up kids at the Manchester arena 
nor that in 2005 they detonated three bombs on the London underground then one on a bus or that they make up a large part of the MI5 watchlist and were responsible for grooming gangs.

[srb7677]

Dont know what they are worried about .

The far right are not stabbing their kids at dance classes
The far right don't roam the streets with machete's
The far right are do not make up 90% of the MI5 watchlist
The far right dont blow up kids at pop concerts
The far right dont blow up buses
The far right dont carry out group sex grooming of their underage girls

The far right doesn't exist in anything but the imagination of the far left .

So what are they worried about ? A few thugs , a couple of idiots and a bit of looting . Throwing stones at the police ?  Maybe they should get their own house in order before they start having a go at ours .

You appear to be identifying yourself with a bunch of racist thugs. The far right demonstrably does exist, there have been far right terrorist attacks for one thing. Or was Jo Cox murdered by a figment of my imagination? Or people attacking the police after giving Nazi salutes, with swastikas tattooed on their bodies? Guess I imagined that too. And the fact that known racist extremists who were members of far right groups banned for planning or committing terroristic acts were present at the riots. Guess that didnt actually happen either.

And trying to set fire to hotels full of people, and all the rest of it is ok because they are on your side?

You have disgraced yourself with the above post.

[cromwell]

Dont know what they are worried about .

The far right are not stabbing their kids at dance classes
The far right don't roam the streets with machete's
The far right are do not make up 90% of the MI5 watchlist
The far right dont blow up kids at pop concerts
The far right dont blow up buses
The far right dont carry out group sex grooming of their underage girls

The far right doesn't exist in anything but the imagination of the far left .

So what are they worried about ? A few thugs , a couple of idiots and a bit of looting . Throwing stones at the police ?  Maybe they should get their own house in order before they start having a go at ours .

What I'd take issue with there is that we don't know that the youth who has been arrested for the Southport stabbing is a Muslim,I actually doubt he is.

[Streetwalker]

Dont know what they are worried about .

The far right are not stabbing their kids at dance classes 
The far right don't roam the streets with machete's
The far right are do not make up 90% of the MI5 watchlist 
The far right dont blow up kids at pop concerts 
The far right dont blow up buses 
The far right dont carry out group sex grooming of their underage girls 

The far right doesn't exist in anything but the imagination of the far left . 

So what are they worried about ? A few thugs , a couple of idiots and a bit of looting . Throwing stones at the police ?   Maybe they should get their own house in order before they start having a go at ours . 

[GBNews]

British Muslim communities feeling 'deeply unsettled' in the UK

British Muslim communities have been left feeling "deeply unsettled" in the UK, a commentator has claimed.

Riots took over the streets last weekend after misinformation was spread surrounding the Southport stabbings, where three young girls were murdered.

Speaking to GB News, Dr Rakib Ehsan explained that this has had an impact on those in the Muslim community in the UK.

He said: "We've seen the far right disorder. It's had a decidedly anti-Muslim dimension.

"We saw in the aftermath of that horrific atrocity in Southport, the killing of the three little girls.

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"We saw anti-Muslim conspiracy theories, speculating on what the background of the suspect is.

"Not just speculating, but saying the suspect is an illegal Muslim migrant of Middle Eastern origin who arrived in the UK by crossing the English Channel from France.

"I think we've also seen during the rioting where they targeting of mosques and Muslim communities more generally.

"I think these are troubling times and I think understandably, there will be families within our British Muslim communities who are deeply unsettled by this."

The riots began after misinformation was spread online claiming that the suspect in the Southport stabbings was a migrant.

Protesters took to the streets and targeted immigration centres and mosques and even tried to burn down a hotel known to house asylum seekers in Rotherham.

This caused counter-protests from the Muslim community that were peaceful in comparison on Wednesday evening.

Prime Minister Keir Starmer has claimed that the rioters will receive the "full force of the law" and the police have remained on "high alert" for any protests this weekend.

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper met with police officers and Deputy Commission Dame Lynne Owens at the Metropolitan Police's specialist operations room in Lambeth on Thursday.

She said: "We're going to continue with this strong policing response, making sure that there are additional police officers ready to respond."

Source: British Muslim communities feeling 'deeply unsettled' in the UK