How sick is BJ? Unity Government?

[Scott777]

They have better uses for ICU beds than to give one to BJ with just the sniffles.

True, but "the sniffles" is an under-exaggeration.  I'm sure he had a fever.  ICU is important because it has monitoring equipment.  I would think the PM would be a special case in terms of monitoring.

[T00ts]

Well, it's still a bit early to say "I told you so" - I wouldn't want to speak too soon, but I'm sure they were just being extra careful.

They have better uses for ICU beds than to give one to BJ with just the sniffles.

[Scott777]

I'm pleased to see reports that Boris is out of ICU and on a ward, improving.

Well, it's still a bit early to say "I told you so" - I wouldn't want to speak too soon, but I'm sure they were just being extra careful.

[T00ts]

I'm pleased to see reports that Boris is out of ICU and on a ward, improving.

I am so glad for him. It will have been an experience which may well colour his decisions in future. Perhaps he will have seen the truth of the matter.

[Barry]

I'm pleased to see reports that Boris is out of ICU and on a ward, improving.

[Scott777]

There are people on this forum and in goverment who would prefer to let vulnerable people like me  die than have a lock down.

There are people on this forum who would prefer to let vulnerable people die from a lockdown, rather than Covid-19.

[patman post]

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I have had this Covid-19 and I know other people who've been hospitalised with it including the wife.



I do not think for a second that Boris Johnson has been remotely capable of doing his job.  From a human perspective, and for his family, I deeply sympathise and it must be horrible for them as it would be for anybody.



When you have late stage Covid-19, your blood oxygen saturation levels will be significantly down, and you are technically coming towards the verge of hypoxia, if not already in it.  To claim that a person in this state should be controlling the nuclear launch codes for the country is ludicrous - they should not even be serving a Greggs pasty.



I didn't even go to hospital and at the worst point in it, I was confused and disoriented and could hardly remember the end of a sentence by the time I was half way through it - do you want that person making major decisions on your behalf?



I feel for him and his family as a human being, but I would also say that if he doesn't pull through, this does not mean I will feel obliged to participate in the obligatory mythologisation of his astonishing feats of leadership - from where I'm sitting, his list of public relations victories is large, but his list of actual big achievements that have made the lives of ordinary people better is extremely thin.



This is a leader who lives by lies - he was even tweeting from the hospital yesterday that he was doing fine and everything would be great, even though he of all people is based placed to rationally know that Covid-19 patients at his stage of the illness can suddenly take a massive downturn and be in ICU within hours.  But no, I am Boris Johnson the king of the world and this can never happen to me.....  this is actually a fitting metaphor for his entire approach to life and one reason why he is completely unfit to rule a country.



I suspect that his Eton education and innate sense of exceptionlism tells him that even in a state of hypoxia, his is still better than everyone else at everything.



I also very strongly suspect that he didn't bother telling the people around him, including his pregnant girlfriend, that he was getting ill.  He was visibly breathless in the Wednesday press conference the week before last, and then had to be dragged kicking and screaming to be tested by Chris Whitty, who he repaid by infecting him.



As a human being I don't wish physical harm on anyboday, but as a leader this man is a dangerous charlatan, and sadly I don't think a brush with death will change his attitude, but would hope to be proved wrong.

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Almost a replica of his hero's life — even down to serious health events while leading a country under threat.  Churchill went on to be voted the greatest Briton of all time. This was despite people on the Left and on the Right portraying him through the years as an ogre because of his views on race and use of poison gas, lack of aid to Indian famine, views on Gandhi, attitude towards Jews and Islam, Tonypandy riots, deploying "Black & Tans" in Ireland, and cash for lobbying government ministers for the merger of forerunner of BP and Shell.

Perhaps one advantage Boris has over Winston is that he's ten years younger and could have time to do so much more...

[johnofgwent]

I now have a whole new mental image... sorry for your damage but still  :crzy  :dncg:

I was 17, nearly 18. It pulled the girls.



Looking back over everything, there's only one regret I have that I wish I could fix.



I want to sit down at a piano stool, lift the lid and whack out Owner Of A Lonely Heart, Rhapsody In Blue and about a dozen jazz numbers. And I know a band and indeed about 20 or even more musicians that would oblige me at the drop of a hat if only I could..



Sadly, it's all gone. I just cannot get past the most basic notes...



Google a chap called Richard West. Ten years ago he looked like Harry Potter. His ivory tinkling skills are beyond anything I have seen in a lad of his age. God, I envy him ...

[T00ts]

Fortunately BJ has avoided my expectation of ventilation overnight and is stable and in good spirits on standard oxygen. Yea!! Keep going BJ - we need you.   :thup:

[T00ts]

Well, no, but I did have a spandex suit and a cape and a long blonde wig so I could ape this guy with my mates from sixth form after we built the synthesizer ...

I was never remotely, remotely in his league but it was fun .



Then sadly one December day in 1977 a 32 tonne coking coal article driven by an ass hole wrecked my car, three months of my life and certain of my skills forever... my ability to coordinate eye, hand and keyboard being one...

I now have a whole new mental image... sorry for your damage but still  :crzy  :dncg:

[johnofgwent]

You have had such a colourful (?) life JoG. Do you wear a Superman costume sometimes?   :dncg:

Well, no, but I did have a spandex suit and a cape and a long blonde wig so I could ape this guy with my mates from sixth form after we built the synthesizer ...

I was never remotely, remotely in his league but it was fun .



Then sadly one December day in 1977 a 32 tonne coking coal article driven by an ass hole wrecked my car, three months of my life and certain of my skills forever... my ability to coordinate eye, hand and keyboard being one...

[T00ts]

Well, if that was the case (the RF from the computers I mean) then that should have hit me and my colleagues too. If I can dig out my face look profile background theres a group of guys who've been developing those very systems, and all sorts of others, since thatcher went to war with galtieri....and none of us look the fresh faced near kids who prepared the task force but neither do we look like the were-lich Blair does. And it cant be an end result of selling your soul to satan as some I know have done that (so they say)



seriously, theres something about where the job is done as opposed to what it is and how it is done ....



And until the early noughties, crown immunity meant no need for elfin safety in government buildings. There was no fire escape from the top floor of BT martlesham house where they did the comms encryption for those systems (now they do it in a much nicer place near here). When in 97 the fire alarms went off the management were quite shocked when many of us freelancers used mountaineering kit we'd brought in to abseil from the fifth to the fourth (and unsecured) floor and use the stairs down from there.



Two hardened daredevils on my team abseiled all the way down ...



I'm sure these days one of those would base jump...



'What the hell were you doing it's only a bloody drill you could have killed yourselves...'



None of you bar stewards told us it was a drill my boss said back, about half a microsecond before me ...

You have had such a colourful (?) life JoG. Do you wear a Superman costume sometimes?   :dncg:

[johnofgwent]

Really? Couldn't it be computers and whatever they do to scramble lines etc, plus lack of sleep and general worry. They all - even Bambi Blair - went in looking looking hopeful and came out haggard but not their wives/husbands. I think most of the cabinet is looking pretty frazzled.

Well, if that was the case (the RF from the computers I mean) then that should have hit me and my colleagues too. If I can dig out my face look profile background theres a group of guys who've been developing those very systems, and all sorts of others, since thatcher went to war with galtieri....and none of us look the fresh faced near kids who prepared the task force but neither do we look like the were-lich Blair does. And it cant be an end result of selling your soul to satan as some I know have done that (so they say)



seriously, theres something about where the job is done as opposed to what it is and how it is done ....



And until the early noughties, crown immunity meant no need for elfin safety in government buildings. There was no fire escape from the top floor of BT martlesham house where they did the comms encryption for those systems (now they do it in a much nicer place near here). When in 97 the fire alarms went off the management were quite shocked when many of us freelancers used mountaineering kit we'd brought in to abseil from the fifth to the fourth (and unsecured) floor and use the stairs down from there.



Two hardened daredevils on my team abseiled all the way down ...



I'm sure these days one of those would base jump...



'What the hell were you doing it's only a bloody drill you could have killed yourselves...'



None of you bar stewards told us it was a drill my boss said back, about half a microsecond before me ...

[Thomas]

No one receives preferential treatment,not least Thomas who in this and another forum life has had more bans,warnings and posts removed than most yet always bounced back for more.



Trying to mod posts ain't an exact science and we mods disagree and Barry as forum admin too about about best way to do things sometimes but all of us try our best to be fair and perhaps we don't always get it right but it's in nobodies interests to exclude or target anyone's views without good reason especially it being a politics forum.



You and you posts are as welcome as any here,when you get stick for what you post it isn't or shouldn't be personal it's purely different opinions.

Cromwell . I wouldnt worry about it. I dont think javert for one second is trying to infer you and the mods on this forum are "censoring " him or his comments.



Its merely a barbed dig at me , because thats the cowardly way javert debates as im sure you know.



He brought up Brexit on this thread on page six with is caustic remark that barry referred to as sour grapes. No one else. If you remember the earlier part of this thread was merged from other threads elsewhere , and javert couldnt help himself getting the boot in.



Then when first barry , toots , you me and others with the sole exception , predictably so , of pappy smurf either didnt agree or told him straight , he then made more bleating posts one of which was an accusation to me of why others are allowed to bring up brexit but not him , in his usual manner of inventing things others havent said nor insinuated or trying to close down any dissent to what he says.



We have had years of it on the other forum over brexit , and as i said , covid 19 is merely the latest tool to bang the political drum for many.



Same shit different day.

[Thomas]

It's true I haven't been out since the beginning of March and before that only if really needed with the hand gel etc. I also don't involve myself in Twitter or any of the other social media stuff. I have a couple of forums on topics that interest me but do so hopefully in a way that stays within  certain boundaries that I set myself. It keeps me interested but doesn't necessarily affect my opinions. In terms of BJ's illness my view is that with disruption as it is we hardly need more. If the worst happens we are left with little real leadership in a country that gave him a resounding mandate specifically on Brexit and although I am fairly confident that his direction of movement would initially be maintained, there will be many who will look on the Government if not the Conservative party, like vultures view a corpse.

My hope of course is that he will pull through but I doubt he will be leaping before the cameras or anywhere else for some time and in the interim only time will tell the outcome. There are always those who thrive on drama, threats and vocal/verbal garbage and this is a gift to some. I don't doubt that many are having a field day but I actually joined this forum and its ancestor because it isn't too outlandish. In fact if it shows those tendencies I take a break.  :hattip

 :hattip no worries toots.