So many "experts"...

[Thomas]

Perhaps the should be changed to this one:-



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Nah just ell them you arent british , you are english as you normally do on forums pappy.



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Quack quack will be mortified. ::

[Thomas]

Greece is opening its borders to tourists again except for British tourists.

except the ones carrying cash only........ ::



The cash economy has been doing a roaring trade in recent years in the islands .

[papasmurf]

Greece is opening its borders to tourists again except for British tourists.

Perhaps the should be changed to this one:-



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[Hyperduck Quack Quack]

Europe wide (with the exception of Britain,) track and trace is being discussed by the European Parliament with a view to enable tourism again within Europe.

Greece is opening its borders to tourists again except for British tourists.

[papasmurf]

as i have just pointed out, the information is readily available. It's not my fault the EU GDPR gives you the right to opt out...

Europe wide (with the exception of Britain,) track and trace is being discussed by the European Parliament with a view to enable tourism again within Europe.

[johnofgwent]

So must the government when countries like Estonia have a very efficient Track and Trace system as part of its medical services.

as i have just pointed out, the information is readily available. It's not my fault the EU GDPR gives you the right to opt out...

[Borg Refinery]

So must the government when countries like Estonia have a very efficient Track and Trace system as part of its medical services.

 :hattip



Humans can't outdo AI.



Where's our Finch? We need a person of interest style AI digging through this stuff, so it can gain sentience and eventually strangle us in our sleep, but we will at least be virus free.

[papasmurf]

You really must try harder.

So must the government when countries like Estonia have a very efficient Track and Trace system as part of its medical services.

[johnofgwent]

How would you set about contact-tracing everyone who'd been on a particular Central Line underground train during the evening rush-hour



or everyone who'd been at Heston Services on the M4 between 12.30pm and 1.30pm on Tuesday the previous week?

How would I do the first ?



Easy. Bloody Doddle. You have to swipe a contactless card or an oystercard or a ticket you can't buy for cash any more.



When Islamic Murderers Knifed and Bombed London Bridge, I was rung at 3am.



By 5:30am I had



1) a list of every oystercard that had been used to swipe in, swipe out or buy anything in London Bridge Station in the last 28 days

2) a list of every contactless card that had been used to swipe in, swipe out or buy anything in London Bridge Station in the last 28 days

3) a list of every such card used to get on any bus that drove past the station in that same time

4) a list of every card used to pay for a cab within a mile of the station for the past week

5) a list of every card used to hire or return a boris bike in the previous month at any of the bike stations near that stationand

6) a list of every card owned by a resident in the station's postcode area



By 6:30am I had created a single email list of every email address associated with those who opted in to receivve TFL travel mailings and by 7am we had emailed every one of those peopel an email saying FFS DONT travel to London Bridge todfay the plod are crawliong all over it and you''' go the same way as jean charles de menezes.



OK actually we said something different, but that is what i suggested we say for max effect.



As to Heston services, they have ANPR cameras to fine you for coming, not going soon enough and not paying.



You really must try harder.

[Barry]

In case you're wondering why I've slowed down posting on this subject, it's because "I'm sick, I'm sick, I'm sick up to here", with statistics and pundits and utter BS which has dubious basis.

So I'll just sit and watch this wind down. You others can give it plenty.

[Borg Refinery]

"The N95 is the most recognizable and effective mask. Its name means it can block at least 95% of tiny particles — 0.3 microns — that are the hardest to capture. An average human hair is about 70 to 100 microns wide."



So even they are 95%; the surgical masks are only up to 60% effective and homemade ones they reckon can be 20-30% effective at a push.



Source; economic times



So this 'wear whatever mask you can' drive being pushed by the govt is potentially misleading people into a false sense of security.

[Borg Refinery]

Have a listen to this one:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08clg1w">https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08clg1w



This is an extended interview with the editor of the Lancet, the UK medical journal mainly for medical professionals and doctors.



In it he makes the case that there has been a scandalous collective incompetence in the UK response to Covid-19.  He is politer than me in that he says he doesn't blame it on any one individual - his contention is that there  has been a systematic breakdown in the whole process, and that both politicians and scientists are not working together correctly.  One of the issues he talks about is the independence of the government scientists who are effectively on the government payroll, and are effectively unable to publicly disagree with the government unless they resign.



He does a pretty good job of taking apart the government line that this was all a big surprise and that could not have seen this coming or been better prepared.

Cheers. In turn have this which I think you'll find interesting:



"Publish-or-perish: Peer review and the corruption of science

 This article is more than 8 years old

Pressure on scientists to publish has led to a situation where any paper, however bad, can now be printed in a journal that claims to be peer-reviewed"



https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science#maincontent">https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... aincontent">https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science#maincontent



It's along similar lines to what you/they're saying in general..

[Javert]

Have a listen to this one:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08clg1w">https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08clg1w



This is an extended interview with the editor of the Lancet, the UK medical journal mainly for medical professionals and doctors.



In it he makes the case that there has been a scandalous collective incompetence in the UK response to Covid-19.  He is politer than me in that he says he doesn't blame it on any one individual - his contention is that there  has been a systematic breakdown in the whole process, and that both politicians and scientists are not working together correctly.  One of the issues he talks about is the independence of the government scientists who are effectively on the government payroll, and are effectively unable to publicly disagree with the government unless they resign.



He does a pretty good job of taking apart the government line that this was all a big surprise and that could not have seen this coming or been better prepared.

[Barry]

We should have 9 independent sage groups and then take an average. That would be perfection.

[papasmurf]

Boris Johnson's lockdown easing measures 'dangerous' and more epidemics inevitable, Independent Sage warns



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-coronavirus-lockdown-covid-19-nhs-sage-independent-david-king-a9510106.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 10106.html">https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-coronavirus-lockdown-covid-19-nhs-sage-independent-david-king-a9510106.html



If we are asked to trust experts by the guys in govt who said don't trust experts, then presumably we should trust this indy sage group announcement, and ignore the loud mouthed blue ignoramuses who dribble when they talk..

The government SAGE group have to sign the official secrets act, and put up with any old garbage the government does to their reports.

The independent group does not.