Shielded told not to shield!

[T00ts]

With the disc locked tap the spanner with a bit of wood.

There are loads of videos on YouTube. This is just one:-

Thanks I had already tried that one too. See above I got it apart with heat.

[T00ts]

A ballet dancer who knows how to use an angle grinder.



I'm not worthy.  :hattip



(Actually, ive already taught melissa how to use a drill and jig saw and pop riveting tool, she has used the cordless hedge trimmer as well, and went green with envy at my my whatsapp vid of me taking on 'stumpy' the annoying Rowan in the garden with my chainsaw) ...



Do you have one of those 'workmate' vice / stand things ? I managed to get my cheapo angle grinder in the main jaws of the adjustable platform, then by getting my car jack extension handle I slipped that over the spanner that unlocks the grinder head fir extra leverage, sat on the workmate and pulled. But don't do this if the things got a wheel with a saw tooth edge like something the maintenance guys have in work. Mine had a big standard carborundum type grinding disk.....

My SIL went into my garage/workshop and nearly passed out with the kit that's in there. I managed the grinder after some discussion with the neighbour. Applied some heat via the blow lamp - bingo! I had already had it in a vice.

I started DIY with Dad and it just grew like Topsy. Strangely I have always found it relaxing after dancing and uses my brain in a completely different way. I do enjoy a challenge. I have a bit of a project on at the moment while the sun shines - much better than fading away inside.

[papasmurf]

 I can't change the disc on my angle grinder,

With the disc locked tap the spanner with a bit of wood.

There are loads of videos on YouTube. This is just one:-

[johnofgwent]

But don't you see? You are making your own decision and so am I. We don't yet have enough results from everyone else being back in circulation for me to want to join in, but there will be some who will look at the current odds and taking care will do what they need to do.  I have said elsewhere that I am waiting to see what happens to the numbers over the next month.  I can't change the disc on my angle grinder, it's stuck fast and driving me crazy and I am tempted to seek help from my neighbour who has also been isolated for the last months. I just need 3 hands instead of two and he is probably as fit as I am in virus terms.

A ballet dancer who knows how to use an angle grinder.



I'm not worthy.  :hattip



(Actually, ive already taught melissa how to use a drill and jig saw and pop riveting tool, she has used the cordless hedge trimmer as well, and went green with envy at my my whatsapp vid of me taking on 'stumpy' the annoying Rowan in the garden with my chainsaw) ...



Do you have one of those 'workmate' vice / stand things ? I managed to get my cheapo angle grinder in the main jaws of the adjustable platform, then by getting my car jack extension handle I slipped that over the spanner that unlocks the grinder head fir extra leverage, sat on the workmate and pulled. But don't do this if the things got a wheel with a saw tooth edge like something the maintenance guys have in work. Mine had a big standard carborundum type grinding disk.....

[papasmurf]

I'm not thick, and I'm not attacking you. I merely have an opinion that does not line up with yours and you don't like that.

You very much are attacking me, and have done since the pandemic started. I suspect you still think Covid-19 is the sniffles.

[Barry]

Only by me?  You need a hearing aid and surgery to remove you blinkers. (seriously.)

Have you not been watching any news bulletins today?

I am frankly getting very annoyed with your cognitive dissonance, and constantly attacking me.  You need to get up to speed.

 The Tories are in the process of getting rid of themselves, they need no outside assistance.

I'm not thick, and I'm not attacking you. I merely have an opinion that does not line up with yours and you don't like that.

[papasmurf]

Only by you, with your "Get rid of the Tories at any costs" agenda.

Only by me?  You need a hearing aid and surgery to remove you blinkers. (seriously.)

Have you not been watching any news bulletins today?

I am frankly getting very annoyed with your cognitive dissonance, and constantly attacking me.  You need to get up to speed.

 The Tories are in the process of getting rid of themselves, they need no outside assistance.

[Barry]

It already is being seen as the government abandoning them.

Only by you, with your "Get rid of the Tories at any costs" agenda.

[papasmurf]

But don't you see? You are making your own decision and so am I.

I am following the advice of my GP practice which has not changed as they have had NO communication from the NHS or government that anything has changed.

[papasmurf]

I disagree with your opening lines. The issue is that the government previously demanded a certain group cut themself off from society for it's own good and now states that can end but unless you risked falling asleep listening to the droning nerds at the briefing you didnt really get a lot of detail as to why this was the case.

Just checked with the my GP practice, they have had NO communication from government about any change for people asked to shield, so staying shielded has not changed.

[T00ts]

It isn't, the "advice" is coming from government NOT the NHS or people's GP. ALL of the people I am in contact with who are in the shielded group are staying put.

I would not go outside my property anyway due to the army of lock down breakers appearing in the area, and eff all being done about it.

(Supermarkets are rammed making social distancing impossible. My wife is thinking of buying a Porton suit to go shopping.)

There are no public toilets open because they all need modifications to comply with distancing and disinfection.

Also the track and trace system appears to be broken before it started.

The government are an incompetent useless shower.

But don't you see? You are making your own decision and so am I. We don't yet have enough results from everyone else being back in circulation for me to want to join in, but there will be some who will look at the current odds and taking care will do what they need to do.  I have said elsewhere that I am waiting to see what happens to the numbers over the next month.  I can't change the disc on my angle grinder, it's stuck fast and driving me crazy and I am tempted to seek help from my neighbour who has also been isolated for the last months. I just need 3 hands instead of two and he is probably as fit as I am in virus terms.

[johnofgwent]

Isn't the issue here that if the government says "well it's up to you, if you don't feel safe then stay indoors on your own decision", this then means that anyone who has a job which they rely on for their food and shelter, is at the mercy of their employer as to whether their employer will let them stay at home.  



I'm not sure whether employer's can be held legally accountable for negligence on their duty of care, if they force vulnerable people back to work who then get ill later, in full knowledge of the risk.  



There is a risk that decisions like this will be seen as "abandoning" those people.

I disagree with your opening lines. The issue is that the government previously demanded a certain group cut themself off from society for it's own good and now states that can end but unless you risked falling asleep listening to the droning nerds at the briefing you didnt really get a lot of detail as to why this was the case.



So yes it is 'up to you' but I see a dearth of detail that I would need were I for example my best mate. He left hospital last Sunday (8 days ago) having had a stent fitted after suffering a heart attack a week before that and not having the problem detected for a whole week.



Is it safe for him to break isolation ? He does not know. He is a mathematician, why should he have to decide his degree of risk without proper factual data.



His wife has MS and COPD a d is largely wheelchair bound, but she is an observer with the Institute of Advanced Motorists Disabled Driver section and is totally fuming that she cannot currently offer her services in that capacity. Her 150BHP Mazda RX6 special edition has been lying idle on her drive for 10 weeks now and she is well pissed about it ....



I mention her lest people(no, I'm not aiming at anyone in particular) have a stereotypical view of those isolating for health reasons. ....



Moving to your second point the lawyers my employer retains told them to send me and a dozen others home to work from home the week before lockdown and furlough happened because they were quite certain they would be taken apart by HSE if they did not send those in the original health issues categories home a d instead kept them at the factory where distancing measures were impossible to implement.

[papasmurf]

I don't agree. It is treating us like grown ups.

It isn't, the "advice" is coming from government NOT the NHS or people's GP. ALL of the people I am in contact with who are in the shielded group are staying put.

I would not go outside my property anyway due to the army of lock down breakers appearing in the area, and eff all being done about it.

(Supermarkets are rammed making social distancing impossible. My wife is thinking of buying a Porton suit to go shopping.)

There are no public toilets open because they all need modifications to comply with distancing and disinfection.

Also the track and trace system appears to be broken before it started.

The government are an incompetent useless shower.

[T00ts]

It already is being seen as the government abandoning them.

I don't agree. It is treating us like grown ups. We have had a nanny state for the last however many weeks and rightly so but now having achieved what they told us was the plan, they are once more telling us the pros and cons and letting us take care of our own lives. With the best will in the world they can't molly coddle us all for ever.  Many are still working from home, some are on a rota basis. If you are at risk then the task is to speak sensibly to an employer. We all know the score. There will be some who will be in a position to say - like Javert - that they have had the virus and are therefore ok to carry on as normal. As long as even they keep washing hands etc to stop the spread on surfaces.  It is up to employers to make working conditions possible within the guide lines.



They warned at the beginning that too long a lock down would create problems for some with the growing need to break out. We have seen that as soon as the sun came out. I am very happy to have my autonomy returned.

[papasmurf]

There is a risk that decisions like this will be seen as "abandoning" those people.

It already is being seen as the government abandoning them.