57 members of Buffalo police riot response team resign

[DeppityDawg]

I was just a bit surprised since you are often posting about working class people being so special and other people can't understand them, whilst other classes are all liberal lefties who don't know they were born etc etc. that you are complaining about politics based on generalised identities.

That whole paragraph is just a colletion of mis-representions and things that haven't been said, but that's no surprise as you are unable to faithfully address other people's points without recreating them to match your own.particular biases



But in essence, yes, "working class" (you can add white too) is an identity that many of us are increasingly deciding to separate ourselves from others by embracing.

[Javert]

You have a point to make or are you just increasing your post count?

I was just a bit surprised since you are often posting about working class people being so special and other people can't understand them, whilst other classes are all liberal lefties who don't know they were born etc etc. that you are complaining about politics based on generalised identities.

[DeppityDawg]

You have a point to make or are you just increasing your post count?

[Borchester]

My knowledge of the different layers of US Police Forces is far from expert, but I suspect I know enough to see the potential for a bit of smoke and mirrors here.



To whit, I can see how it would be possible for the City force to be reduced to little more than Community Support Officers and Traffic Wardens, with all the real Police Officers just transferred up to County or State level departments.

Quite.



The Camden City Police force was merged with that of Camden County, so it did not go away, it was simply renamed.

[Nalaar]

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[Javert]

No I mean the relentless march of identity politics is dividing us more than it unites us.

 

[papasmurf]

No I mean the relentless march of identity politics is dividing us more than it unites us.

Fortunately I am in total ignorance of identity politics.

[DeppityDawg]

Do you mean the return of "apartheid?"

No I mean the relentless march of identity politics is dividing us more than it unites us.

[Sampanviking]

My knowledge of the different layers of US Police Forces is far from expert, but I suspect I know enough to see the potential for a bit of smoke and mirrors here.



To whit, I can see how it would be possible for the City force to be reduced to little more than Community Support Officers and Traffic Wardens, with all the real Police Officers just transferred up to County or State level departments.

[papasmurf]

Personally, I think it will be the latest step towards "separatism"

Do you mean the return of "apartheid?"

[Nalaar]

I think they should do it. The liberal/victim group agenda has been complaining about it for so long, it's time to let them show us how it should be done. But I would add that if they do it, there will be no going back.



Personally, I think it will be the latest step towards "separatism" that increasingly liberal policies makes inevitable. You cannot have a society that by one of its core principles divides people into victims and oppressors, and then expect everyone to gleefully accept their assigned "role".

Such reforms have been successful elsewhere, such as Camden, New Jersey, which disbanded its police department in 2013.



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[DeppityDawg]

Talking of which, that is pretty much what the Minneapolis City Council intend to do...



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I think they should do it. The liberal/victim group agenda has been complaining about it for so long, it's time to let them show us how it should be done. But I would add that if they do it, there will be no going back.



Personally, I think it will be the latest step towards "separatism" that increasingly liberal policies makes inevitable. You cannot have a society that by one of its core principles divides people into victims and oppressors, and then expect everyone to gleefully accept their assigned "role".

[Borchester]

Dismantling the city police force and replacing it with a community ordinated service would probably be next I guess.

Talking of which, that is pretty much what the Minneapolis City Council intend to do...



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[Nalaar]

I think they will have covered that when the policeman gets 30 years .  Next ?

Dismantling the city police force and replacing it with a community ordinated service would probably be next I guess.

[DeppityDawg]

I was doing some reading about the new baton rounds and riot control tactics actually.



Trust the yanks to come up with brutal things; a device that makes you feel like you're on fire.. but can be reflected back with simple aluminium (why do they bother..)

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And over here new baton rounds that are more powerful than the old ones, apparently never used on the so-called 'mainland'.>>yet stockpiled by Boris as mayor after the 2011 riots. I don't really see the point.



Supposedly, wooden bullets (used by us police in Ferguson) just raise large bruises & welts at long range, and seem to be much less dangerous. Some NI journo described being hit by a baton round as akin to being hit hard with a hammer.

That would depends at what range it was fired from, and which load. The type in general use throughout the 70s/80s was the L5A4 thru A7 - iirc, the minimum range specified was not below 20 metres for the standard 25 grain round. Their maximum effective range was only about 35-40 metres, still enough to keep petrol bombs and house bricks at a reasonable distance. There was a higher powered round, 45g, which was only authorised in certain circumstances, and they were serious shit. It sometimes had a blue ring around the cartridge case, and a raised embossed "L" on the cap to identify it in the dark so you didn't load it by accident



But yeah, getting hit by one would hurt. I'm sure you'll understand why we weren't really that keen to say it with flowers.