Boris Johnson moves Dominic Cummings into Cabinet Office

[Sheepy]

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A lot of people complain because they don't understand, and think they've got a delegate for their MP and not a representative. What have you got that's different...?

A lot of people complain when a representative swears blind they will do one thing and as soon as they get in do the exact opposite.

The people saying one thing and then doing the opposite say it's because they are allowed to "use their judgement" to do the exact opposite of what they said on the grounds it's in your best interest.

Of course, december 2019 showed them how that pans out.

except in those constituencies - like mine sadly - where the electorate is so stupendously entrenched it's pointless voting unless you want the party that has been here for 40 years to still be your representative...

In such places maybe its time to resort to the armalite and the IED - that seems to have worked in ireland.

Ha I have a story about the civil service and the DVLA, who don't make mistakes, When we moved house in 2009 we sent our licences off to get addresses changed as the law requires, mine came back missing my bike licence, well I thought it ain't so bad as my knees are knackered anyway and my back can give me some jip, so not to worry as it has happened to thousands of others and they don't seem to get any sense about it from DVLA, Being a law unto themselves, so I put it in my wallet and never even thought about it any more, until recently when I thought I might get a bike on the back of the motorhome and use it for shopping when I am away, so I thought I might take my CBT anyway, well today my better half looks at her license and it has all my entitlements on it, including my bike license and the others that I didn't even notice were missing. LOL

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A lot of people complain when a representative swears blind they will do one thing and as soon as they get in do the exact opposite.

The people saying one thing and then doing the opposite say it's because they are allowed to "use their judgement" to do the exact opposite of what they said on the grounds it's in your best interest.

Of course, december 2019 showed them how that pans out.

except in those constituencies - like mine sadly - where the electorate is so stupendously entrenched it's pointless voting unless you want the party that has been here for 40 years to still be your representative...

In such places maybe its time to resort to the armalite and the IED - that seems to have worked in ireland.

Unless the MP voted in is a member of the party that's in govt, there's little likelihood of any major change. Even if it's the winning party's aim or promise, it still needs the majority of the HoC to back it — look at May and Brexit.
And then there's "events, dear boy, events".

Sounds like you're in a constituency like here. It wasn't too bad having a Labour MP because she and her local office were good at dealing with local issues when called on. But she began to struggle when more involved with national party politics, so  hopefully she'll now be OK with returning to the back benches.

As for considering "the armarlite and the IED" when they caused so much death and suffering, sounds more like a Cornwall poster's solution — he needs to fuel his Bicester ovens...

[Borchester]

except in those constituencies - like mine sadly - where the electorate is so stupendously entrenched it's pointless voting unless you want the party that has been here for 40 years to still be your representative...

In such places maybe its time to resort to the armalite and the IED - that seems to have worked in ireland.

There is of course the rider that little Ms Muffet is harmless. The bit that would really worry me is having some incorruptible with blazing eyes who knows what is right standing for election. That sort of thing is fine when it is Jeremy Corbyn adding to the gaiety of the nation as he takes himself and his party down into an embarrassing defeat, but once in a while you get some excitable Austrian who wants to invade Russia.

I will stick with Boris. He may be an amoral bugger, but as long as he sticks to waving his hands in the air and building flower bridges I am easy.



I live in an affluent area full of middle class remainers who regularly vote in a labour MP who is as shallow as a puddle of gnat's pee and who has all the morality of a shit house rat. But that is democracy. The people have spoken, sod 'em, and I will have to put up with it.

I can identify with that. Just one major difference they always vote  in a feckless Tory, into Westminster, possessing all the attributes of your man/woman. Nowt so queer as folk. Or democracy for that matter.

[Good old]

except in those constituencies - like mine sadly - where the electorate is so stupendously entrenched it's pointless voting unless you want the party that has been here for 40 years to still be your representative...

In such places maybe its time to resort to the armalite and the IED - that seems to have worked in ireland.

I live in an affluent area full of middle class remainers who regularly vote in a labour MP who is as shallow as a puddle of gnat's pee and who has all the morality of a shit house rat. But that is democracy. The people have spoken, sod 'em, and I will have to put up with it.

I can identify with that. Just one major difference they always vote  in a feckless Tory, into Westminster, possessing all the attributes of your man/woman. Nowt so queer as folk. Or democracy for that matter.

[Borchester]

except in those constituencies - like mine sadly - where the electorate is so stupendously entrenched it's pointless voting unless you want the party that has been here for 40 years to still be your representative...

In such places maybe its time to resort to the armalite and the IED - that seems to have worked in ireland.

It may have worked in Northern Ireland but who wants to live in the 16th century?

I live in an affluent area full of middle class remainers who regularly vote in a labour MP who is as shallow as a puddle of gnat's pee and who has all the morality of a shit house rat. But that is democracy. The people have spoken, sod 'em, and I will have to put up with it. 

[johnofgwent]

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A lot of people complain because they don't understand, and think they've got a delegate for their MP and not a representative. What have you got that's different...?

A lot of people complain when a representative swears blind they will do one thing and as soon as they get in do the exact opposite.

The people saying one thing and then doing the opposite say it's because they are allowed to "use their judgement" to do the exact opposite of what they said on the grounds it's in your best interest.

Of course, december 2019 showed them how that pans out.

except in those constituencies - like mine sadly - where the electorate is so stupendously entrenched it's pointless voting unless you want the party that has been here for 40 years to still be your representative...

In such places maybe its time to resort to the armalite and the IED - that seems to have worked in ireland. 

[patman post]

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A lot of people complain because they don't understand, and think they've got a delegate for their MP and not a representative. What have you got that's different...?

[papasmurf]

That's why the UK has a representative democracy —

In theory.

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What? Pissing of the electorate more than necessary?

That's why the UK has a representative democracy — voters can object all they want, but they still need to get a majority of MPs to support them in Parliament to get any change...

[papasmurf]

A government can govern when it has enough support to win a vote of no confidence and does not piss off the electorate more than necessary. Right now the conservatives are in that position.

What? Pissing of the electorate more than necessary?

[Borchester]

Well for me elected governments should be allowed to govern without hinderance . Unlike undemocratic countries we can out them if we don't like the performance and install another .I do believe in referenda (   ) for major changes which wouldn't give them free reign but that's another topic .

Disagree totally. As one war cry of the Brexiteers had it: "Parliament is sovereign". A government can only govern while it has the majority of parliament with it...

A government can govern when it has enough support to win a vote of no confidence and does not piss off the electorate more than necessary. Right now the conservatives are in that position.

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Well for me elected governments should be allowed to govern without hinderance . Unlike undemocratic countries we can out them if we don't like the performance and install another .I do believe in referenda (   ) for major changes which wouldn't give them free reign but that's another topic .

Disagree totally. As one war cry of the Brexiteers had it: "Parliament is sovereign". A government can only govern while it has the majority of parliament with it...

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Impartial and the civil service parted company many years ago . On the democratic vote of the 2016 referendum to leave the European union the uncivil service undertook a campaign  that was dubbed 'project fear' in attempt to undermine the entire process of leaving .

Whitehall 'leaks' and warnings of Armageddon continue to this day and is why a complete overhaul of Whitehall is needed . The anti brexit activities must be brought to a halt , the traitors from within outed and the government be given every chance to succeed instead of the current stop them at all costs attitude .

They are not impartial nor following  parliamentary practice . They have become their own institution that seeks to protect itself with its own agenda  and derail any government policy that threatens them .

Cummings hopefully will get to grips  and overlooking the bastards from the same room is long overdue 

As the UK's not left the EU the ramifications have yet to be felt. No doubt the civil service and Covid will carry the blame when it does — a Trumpesque  pre-rationalisation....

[Streetwalker]

But if those socialist governments had installed this kind of control . Tories would have been incandescent .

Quite, it smacks of the Kremlin and North Korea, (and America.)

Well for me elected governments should be allowed to govern without hinderance . Unlike undemocratic countries we can out them if we don't like the performance and install another .I do believe in referenda (   ) for major changes which wouldn't give them free reign but that's another topic .

[papasmurf]

But if those socialist governments had installed this kind of control . Tories would have been incandescent .

Quite, it smacks of the Kremlin and North Korea, (and America.)