3 tiers - medium - high -very high

[HDQQ]

I have grandchildren and want them to have some sort of future and they won't have one if the economy collapses because the nation is in lockdown.

The economy won't collapse completely although some sectors of it like hospitality might. The economic fall-out from covid-19 won't be as bad as the possible consequences of letting the virus run its course unhindered.

When I talked about the economy collapsing because of Brexit I kept being accused of scaremongering.  Same thing with covid-19. It's the illness we should be scared of, not a few pubs and restaurants closing.

[patman post]

Then we stay locked down until the vaccine arrives, which may never arrive, is that what you want?

Who wants that?
Where you asked about evidence from the last lockdown, it was in relation to a limited-period lockdown over half term you reported in the same post...

[Barry]

Surely the slow downs in infection, hospital admittances and death rate following the initial lockdown — followed by the rise in infection and hospital admittances after wholesale relaxation — is enough evidence to show lock downs play their part...?

Then we stay locked down until the vaccine arrives, which may never arrive, is that what you want?

[patman post]

Where is the evidence from the last lockdown that it will "squash" the virus, as BoJo refers to it.

Surely the slow downs in infection, hospital admittances and death rate following the initial lockdown — followed by the rise in infection and hospital admittances after wholesale relaxation — is enough evidence to show lock downs play their part...?

[Borchester]

A 3 tier alert system is all very well but really we need another proper lockdown to avert the risk of tens of thousands more deaths and maybe hundreds of thousands of people becoming seriously ill or ending up with debilitating 'long covid' that will take them out of the workforce for months or even years.

Most of them ain't in the workforce. They are largely cottontops who are going to die anyway.

I have grandchildren and want them to have some sort of future and they won't have one if the economy collapses because the nation is in lockdown.

[HDQQ]

Yesterday we had the third highest number of daily cases in the world, at 17,324. Only USA and India had more cases than us. There's a belief that the current strain of covid-19 is less deadly than the original one - I mentioned this myself in a recent post. But deaths are starting to rise rapidly again too (143 yesterday) so it's still quite deadly.

A 3 tier alert system is all very well but really we need another proper lockdown to avert the risk of tens of thousands more deaths and maybe hundreds of thousands of people becoming seriously ill or ending up with debilitating 'long covid' that will take them out of the workforce for months or even years.

[Sheepy]

Does anyone take any notice of this nonsense?

Tiers 1, 2 and 3. Makes it sound like a wedding cake with Boris trying his luck with the bridesmaids.

Dunno, according to Smurf if they did, we would all be cured of the plague, I personally somehow doubt it, this is more political than anything else and it makes no difference what the government say and do, it will come back on them, as it is meant for.

[Borchester]

Does anyone take any notice of this nonsense?

Tiers 1, 2 and 3. Makes it sound like a wedding cake with Boris trying his luck with the bridesmaids.

[papasmurf]

Those who do not want a lockdown, carry on living their lives taking sensible precautions. Washing hands, wearing face coverings, keeping some space between people.

The problem is far too many people are NOT taking sensible precautions and will continue to do so unless there is enforcement.

[Barry]

The government are now talking of another full lockdown over half term. Calling it by a fancy name still makes it another lockdown, which Boris claimed he would be very reluctant to do. So why do it?
Where is the evidence from the last lockdown that it will "squash" the virus, as BoJo refers to it.
Hancock goes on about the vaccine, which there isn't one yet.

My solution.
Those who want a lockdown, lockdown.
Those who do not want a lockdown, carry on living their lives taking sensible precautions. Washing hands, wearing face coverings, keeping some space between people.
Which, of course, is not working or we wouldn't still be having a rise in cases.

Nothing is working. Get a backbone, live with it or die with it, It's not going away.

[Nick]

A quick glance at that and it immediately becomes clear that most of the areas on some form of more severe tier 2 or 3 lockdown are in the North. However justified this might be medically and socially, it does not look good politically. Many in the north will resent it and see it as same old, same old.

If you look at the hot spots you will see they are in areas with higher Muslim populations. Bolton, Burnley, Blackburn, Leicester, Preston. Multiple generations living in the same house and when they go out, not adhering to the rules.

Bizarre really as this is one of the higher risk groups.

[srb7677]

No low tier, apparently.

The Government has now released the full list of local tiers.

Medium tier: Current rules – rule of 6, pub curfews

High tier: Prevented from mixing with other households indoors, rule of 6 applies in public and private spaces

Very high tier: prohibited social mixing indoors and in private gardens; closing pubs and bars unless they can operate as a restaurant; advised against travelling in and out of these areas.

Tier 3 (Very high level)

Liverpool City Region
Liverpool
Knowsley
Wirral
St Helens
Sefton
Halton

Tier 2 (High level)

Cheshire
Cheshire West and Chester
Cheshire East
Greater Manchester
Manchester
Bolton
Bury
Stockport
Tameside
Trafford
Wigan
Salford
Rochdale
Oldham
Warrington
Derbyshire
High Peak
Tintwistle
Padfield
Dinting
St John's
Old Glossop
Whitfield
Simmondley
Gamesley
Howard Town
Hadfield South
Hadfield North
Lancashire
Lancashire
Blackpool
Preston
Blackburn with Darwen
Burnley
West Yorkshire
Leeds
Bradford
Kirklees
Calderdale
Wakefield
South Yorkshire
Barnsley
Rotherham
Doncaster
Sheffield
North East
Newcastle
South Tyneside
North Tyneside
Gateshead
Sunderland
Durham
Northumberland
Tees Valley
Middlesbrough
Redcar and Cleveland
Stockton-on-Tees
Darlington
Hartlepool
West Midlands
Birmingham
Sandwell
Solihull
Wolverhampton
Walsall
Leicester
Leicester
Oadby and Wigston
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
Nottingham City

Level 1 (Medium)

Everywhere else in England not mentioned above

A quick glance at that and it immediately becomes clear that most of the areas on some form of more severe tier 2 or 3 lockdown are in the North. However justified this might be medically and socially, it does not look good politically. Many in the north will resent it and see it as same old, same old.

[Nick]

No low tier, apparently.

The Government has now released the full list of local tiers.

Medium tier: Current rules – rule of 6, pub curfews

High tier: Prevented from mixing with other households indoors, rule of 6 applies in public and private spaces

Very high tier: prohibited social mixing indoors and in private gardens; closing pubs and bars unless they can operate as a restaurant; advised against travelling in and out of these areas.

Tier 3 (Very high level)

Liverpool City Region
Liverpool
Knowsley
Wirral
St Helens
Sefton
Halton

Tier 2 (High level)

Cheshire
Cheshire West and Chester
Cheshire East
Greater Manchester
Manchester
Bolton
Bury
Stockport
Tameside
Trafford
Wigan
Salford
Rochdale
Oldham
Warrington
Derbyshire
High Peak
Tintwistle
Padfield
Dinting
St John's
Old Glossop
Whitfield
Simmondley
Gamesley
Howard Town
Hadfield South
Hadfield North
Lancashire
Lancashire
Blackpool
Preston
Blackburn with Darwen
Burnley
West Yorkshire
Leeds
Bradford
Kirklees
Calderdale
Wakefield
South Yorkshire
Barnsley
Rotherham
Doncaster
Sheffield
North East
Newcastle
South Tyneside
North Tyneside
Gateshead
Sunderland
Durham
Northumberland
Tees Valley
Middlesbrough
Redcar and Cleveland
Stockton-on-Tees
Darlington
Hartlepool
West Midlands
Birmingham
Sandwell
Solihull
Wolverhampton
Walsall
Leicester
Leicester
Oadby and Wigston
Nottingham
Nottinghamshire
Nottingham City

Level 1 (Medium)

Everywhere else in England not mentioned above

Yay, I'm in tier 3. Well I would be if I hadn't driven down to London yesterday.

[papasmurf]

I knew it would all end in tiers.

[patman post]

There were still individuals parroting the claim that they didn't understand the new rules on the radio today. Then Andy Burnham jumped in reversed his past criticism that strong action wasn't taken quickly enough, to now objecting to being forced to take stronger action. Looked very like a step along the road Boris took towards leadership. Then Starmer reacted and put on a Leader's performance at a broadcast media event this evening and calls for tougher action — or did he...?