Long Covid

[johnofgwent]

I'm very much an evidence based person and have not personally seen any evidence of "fit" people being struck down with CV. Not denying it, just no experience: Did have a very unfit, overweight, double bypass and T2 diabetic friend of mine die. I am of the opinion what ever he caught would kill him.

I am far from "fit" now and I suspect the last time I could claim to be was before the wife's cooking took its toll on my waistline. But I have always been active. And by "active" I mean I saw no particular hardship in jumping on a pushbike and doing a 30 mile yomp to the middle of the Severn bridge and back for no reason other than I could ....

I share your evidence based outlook though.

I do not know anyone below the age of 30 who can contribute to this debate, but I recently found that fouracquaintances barely older than my eldest (mid 30's) shared my experience of having "some damn wierd thing that was not flu" for about a week in mid NOVEMBER last year - WEEKS before the Wuhan secret police lost their grip on the story.

Like me they were a bit off their game for about a week then this seemed to go away.

But like me, none of them seem able to sustain anything remotely like the degree of physical activity they were previously famed for. and these people exceeded my degree of personal lunacy in such matters.

One of them was, the first time i met him, leading a group of rescue kayakers through the tide surge in the Severn to haul some sorry idiot back to safety in a tidal race you wouldn't see me try to mount a rescue without a bloody jetski. He is a barking mad nutter whose ideal weekend would be crowned by  beating bear grylls in a sub zero arctic circle triathlon....

Today I would not fancy his chances of paddling himself across his bath.

[Thomas]

Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population. As a result, according to international surveys, most people dramatically overestimate Covid-19 lethality and mortality.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/cbs-admits-to-using-footage-from-italy-in-report-about-nyc/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cbs-says-fake-news-wasnt-theirs-11588789238

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/eci.13222

UK public 'believe coronavirus death toll 100 times higher than it really is'

Experts say people 'often overestimate highly publicised risks while underestimating more common risks'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/20/uk-public-believe-coronavirus-death-toll-100-times-higher-really/

[Thomas]

Matt Hancock is wrong about herd immunity
Confusion about the Covid-19 science is hampering debate — and costing lives
BY Sunetra Gupta

Dr Sunetra Gupta is a professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modelling of infectious diseases

https://unherd.com/2020/10/matt-hancock-is-wrong-about-herd-immunity/

[Thomas]

Anyone heard of this lot?

WORLD DOCTORS ALLIANCE

An independent non-profit alliance of doctors, nurses, healthcare professionals and staff around the world who have united in the wake of the Covid-19 response chapter to share experiences with a view to ending all lockdowns and related damaging measures and to re-establish universal health determinance of psychological and physical wellbeing for all humanity.

Introduction

We were told initially that the premise for lockdown was to 'flatten the curve' and therefore protect the NHS from being overwhelmed.

It is clear that at no point was the National Health Service (NHS) in any danger of being overwhelmed, and since May 2020 covid wards have been largely empty; and crucially the death toll from covid has remained extremely low.

We now have hundreds of thousands of so-called 'cases', 'infections' and 'positive tests' but hardly any sick people. Recall that four fifths (80%) of 'infections' are asymptomatic (1) Covid wards have been by and large empty throughout June, July, August and September 2020. Most importantly covid deaths are at an all-time low. It is clear that these 'cases' are in fact not 'cases' but rather they are normal healthy people.

So-called asymptomatic cases have never in the history of respiratory disease been the driver for spread of infection. Rather it is symptomatic people who spread respiratory infections - not asymptomatic people.(2)

It is also abundantly clear that the 'pandemic' is basically over and has been since June 2020. (3)

We have very highly likely reached herd immunity and therefore have no need for a vaccine.

We have safe and very effective treatments and preventative treatments for covid, we therefore call for an immediate end to all lockdown measures, social distancing, mask wearing, testing of healthy individuals, track and trace, immunity passports, the vaccination program and so on.

There has been a catalogue of unscientific, non-sensical policies enacted which infringe our inalienable rights, such as - freedom of movement, freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. These draconian totalitarian measures must never be repeated.

https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/

[Thomas]

Irish Professor Dolores Cahill announces that the total number of people dying confirmed Covid and not from other diseases is only 100 for the whole of 2020.
And remember that the pcr tests aren't reliable.
Ask yourself why is this crisis still happening?

https://mobile.twitter.com/jonkirbysthlm/status/1316699691590004737

[Thomas]

Facts about Covid-19

According to the latest immunological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) in the general population ranges between 0.1% and 0.5% in most countries, which is comparable to the medium influenza pandemics of 1957 and 1968.

In most places, the risk of death for the healthy general population of school and working age is comparable to a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.

About 80% of all people develop only mild symptoms or no symptoms. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% develop only mild symptoms. About 95% of all people develop at most moderate symptoms and do not require hospitalization.

The median age of Covid deaths in most Western countries is over 80 years – e.g. 84 years in Sweden – and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. In contrast to flu pandemics, the age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid-19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.

Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid-19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid-19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old. The claimed increase in Kawasaki disease in children also turned out to be exaggerated.

Good site here about covid 19 . There seems to be an ever growing backlash , not just among the general popualtion of many countries , but among doctors scientists etc against covid 19 measures and controls.


https://swprs.org/facts-about-covid-19/

[Borchester]

Over the last couple of months I have found it increasingly difficult to sustain the effort of carrying a bucket of chippings fifty yards,. I find myself having to sit down with heart racing (>220bpm) and literally fighting for breath for over a minute after moving half a dozen 450x450x40mm patio slabs.

Six paving slabs weigh about 120 kilos or in real money, 264lb. The solution is to give a kid a few bob to do the job. Teens have the muscle and need the money.

[papasmurf]

Looks like a useful device especially for us slightly older people, and not just in connection with covid-19. But is long covid, which I assume is a sort of post-viral fatigue, caused by low oxygen levels?

The point is if you have below normal oxygen levels  persistently there is something seriously wrong with you and a doctor needs to be consulted.
(Low blood oxygen levels over time,  (below 90) is serious, and the cause needs to be determined.)
Many people have no idea they have low blood oxygen until they find out the hard way.
That is why a cheap pulse oximeter is a good idea. (Some of them are stupidly high priced, but I only paid £7 in a well known cheap supermarket.)
Just checked my blood oxygen level 94%, pulse 84.

[HDQQ]

Looks like a useful device especially for us slightly older people, and not just in connection with covid-19. But is long covid, which I assume is a sort of post-viral fatigue, caused by low oxygen levels?

[papasmurf]

I don't know the answer to this but it seems a possibility. Does anyone else know?

There is a cheap way for anyone to check without bothering a doctor, a pulse oximeter, about £7-£12
I always carry one on me.




Explanation:-

https://www.healthline.com/health/normal-blood-oxygen-level

[HDQQ]

Revived this thread to ask a question about long-covid.

Increasing numbers of people appear to be suffering from the debilitating symptoms of long covid. Many of these people say they only had mild to moderate original symptoms of covid-19 and yet weeks or months later they get out of breath going up their stairs. What I'm wondering is whether long covid is also affecting some people who were previously asymtomatic - i.e. they were infected months ago but didn't get any classic symptoms in the days or weeks afterwards but have still become debilitated months later.

I don't know the answer to this but it seems a possibility. Does anyone else know?

[T00ts]

I suspect it is time for a chest X ray and peak flow check and i feel i am far from alone ....

Have you had a positive antigen test previously, or a positive antibody test, John?
If not, yes, get checked out, but you do realise you are getting older!
As a friend of mine says: "Getting old is not for wimps". I can't lift my arms without pain these day, I reckon I've worn my shoulders out. I'll be 66 next birthday.

Thats true Barry, I retook my motorcycle test yesterday and by the end my hips were agony and my backside was as numb as it can get and you still have a few years on me. So I guess I will need the Ibuprofen at hand LOL.

I had an interesting conversation with my Doc before Covid and he was saying that they have seen very good results with Paracetamol with joint issues and it's less troublesome. I have to admit (reluctantly - I'm not enamoured of doctors) he seems to be right.

I will get a bottle of them as well then Toots, I will rattle along like a bottle of pills.

Welcome to the clan!

Ooh do I get a Tartan. very swish I must say.

Oh yes quite possibly. It is a new style with polka dots and a screw fastener. The pin is double duty, to keep it decent and test if there is still feeling while the sporran holds a spare strip and nip! 

[Sheepy]

I suspect it is time for a chest X ray and peak flow check and i feel i am far from alone ....

Have you had a positive antigen test previously, or a positive antibody test, John?
If not, yes, get checked out, but you do realise you are getting older!
As a friend of mine says: "Getting old is not for wimps". I can't lift my arms without pain these day, I reckon I've worn my shoulders out. I'll be 66 next birthday.

Thats true Barry, I retook my motorcycle test yesterday and by the end my hips were agony and my backside was as numb as it can get and you still have a few years on me. So I guess I will need the Ibuprofen at hand LOL.

I had an interesting conversation with my Doc before Covid and he was saying that they have seen very good results with Paracetamol with joint issues and it's less troublesome. I have to admit (reluctantly - I'm not enamoured of doctors) he seems to be right.

I will get a bottle of them as well then Toots, I will rattle along like a bottle of pills.

Welcome to the clan!

Ooh do I get a Tartan. very swish I must say.

[T00ts]

I suspect it is time for a chest X ray and peak flow check and i feel i am far from alone ....

Have you had a positive antigen test previously, or a positive antibody test, John?
If not, yes, get checked out, but you do realise you are getting older!
As a friend of mine says: "Getting old is not for wimps". I can't lift my arms without pain these day, I reckon I've worn my shoulders out. I'll be 66 next birthday.

Thats true Barry, I retook my motorcycle test yesterday and by the end my hips were agony and my backside was as numb as it can get and you still have a few years on me. So I guess I will need the Ibuprofen at hand LOL.

I had an interesting conversation with my Doc before Covid and he was saying that they have seen very good results with Paracetamol with joint issues and it's less troublesome. I have to admit (reluctantly - I'm not enamoured of doctors) he seems to be right.

I will get a bottle of them as well then Toots, I will rattle along like a bottle of pills.

Welcome to the clan!

[Sheepy]

I suspect it is time for a chest X ray and peak flow check and i feel i am far from alone ....

Have you had a positive antigen test previously, or a positive antibody test, John?
If not, yes, get checked out, but you do realise you are getting older!
As a friend of mine says: "Getting old is not for wimps". I can't lift my arms without pain these day, I reckon I've worn my shoulders out. I'll be 66 next birthday.

Thats true Barry, I retook my motorcycle test yesterday and by the end my hips were agony and my backside was as numb as it can get and you still have a few years on me. So I guess I will need the Ibuprofen at hand LOL.

I had an interesting conversation with my Doc before Covid and he was saying that they have seen very good results with Paracetamol with joint issues and it's less troublesome. I have to admit (reluctantly - I'm not enamoured of doctors) he seems to be right.

I will get a bottle of them as well then Toots, I will rattle along like a bottle of pills.