Pfizer vaccine approved

[BeElBeeBub]

What they will do is lengthen the time the pandemic regulations remain in place'

I suppose that might be true if the hospitalisation/death rate remains high because lots of unvaccinated are catching it.

Of course that would show the effectiveness of the vaccine.

And many of the refusers would undoubtedly support reopening the economy.

After all, the IFR of Covid would now be even lower than now and those most at risk (the unvaccinated, most of whom are by choice) can simply shield or take their chances with what they believe to be "no worse than s cold".

That is literally what many were proposing before a vaccine so I don't see why their views should change.

[papasmurf]

At the moment, by refusing the vaccine, they are probably doing those of us who would like a vaccine for themselves or lived ones a favour

What they will do is lengthen the time the pandemic regulations remain in place'

[BeElBeeBub]

One of the finest examples of bullshine I have ever read on an internet forum.

It was slightly tongue in cheek...

But the point remains, if the vaccines doesn't prevent infectiousness (ie it just reduces the likelihood of complications if infected) to a significant degree then people refusing the vaccine are mainly putting themselves at risk.

Of course *if* the vaccine *does* reduce infectiousness then they are potentially putting those that cannot be vaccinated (or for whom the vaccine doesn't work) at risk.

At the moment, by refusing the vaccine, they are probably doing those of us who would like a vaccine for themselves or lived ones a favour

[papasmurf]

We're still not sure if these vaccines help protect others i.e. can they stop you becoming infectious as well as reduce your chances of complications.

This means vaccination to achieve "herd immunity" (which many of the "it's just the flu" group think we have achieved anyway) may not be a thing.

In this case not getting vaccinated may only affect them as the CV19 circulate with much reduced lethality in the vaccinated population only causing complications in the refusers.

In a way they are providing a service by being a control group.

If, after enough have been vaccinated, the hospitalisation/death statistics start to show a strong imbalance towards unvaccinated individuals, it will be very strong evidence about the efficacy.

Normally "leaving behind" a control group would throw up severe ethics issues.

However these people would be volunteering (although I assume they would regard the vaccinated as volunteering to be tested on) for this duty *and* freeing up vaccine doses for other people.

Vaccine deniers I salute you.

One of the finest examples of bullshine I have ever read on an internet forum.

[BeElBeeBub]

Personally I would have them forcibly vaccinated in a buttock.

We're still not sure if these vaccines help protect others i.e. can they stop you becoming infectious as well as reduce your chances of complications.

This means vaccination to achieve "herd immunity" (which many of the "it's just the flu" group think we have achieved anyway) may not be a thing.

In this case not getting vaccinated may only affect them as the CV19 circulate with much reduced lethality in the vaccinated population only causing complications in the refusers.

In a way they are providing a service by being a control group.

If, after enough have been vaccinated, the hospitalisation/death statistics start to show a strong imbalance towards unvaccinated individuals, it will be very strong evidence about the efficacy.

Normally "leaving behind" a control group would throw up severe ethics issues.

However these people would be volunteering (although I assume they would regard the vaccinated as volunteering to be tested on) for this duty *and* freeing up vaccine doses for other people.

Vaccine deniers I salute you.

[papasmurf]

I assume all the posters here who have been loudly declaring that this is nothing more than the common cold and that the death rate is normal will not be getting *any* CV (Oxford, Pfizer, Moderna etc) vaccines?

Personally I would have them forcibly vaccinated in a buttock.

[BeElBeeBub]

I assume all the posters here who have been loudly declaring that this is nothing more than the common cold and that the death rate is normal will not be getting *any* CV (Oxford, Pfizer, Moderna etc) vaccines?

[T00ts]

There is no date on that.
There is on this:-
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/941236/COVID-19_vaccination_programme_guidance_for_healthcare_workers_December_2020_V2.pdf

So in that report no mention at all of any tests or otherwise of reaction with other meds - it's simply omitted altogether. Presumably they still hadn't tested it and omitted it so as not to encourage the question.

[papasmurf]

Here is the bit that jumped out at me! 

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction
No interaction studies have been performed.

Most particularly older people are taking other meds.

There is no date on that.
There is on this:-
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/941236/COVID-19_vaccination_programme_guidance_for_healthcare_workers_December_2020_V2.pdf

[T00ts]

Here is the government paper for healthcare professionals and anyone with about A level in Chemistry and Biology to read

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940565/Information_for_Healthcare_Professionals_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.pdf

Here is the bit that jumped out at me! 

4.5 Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction
No interaction studies have been performed.

Most particularly older people are taking other meds.

[Barry]

Here is the government paper for healthcare professionals and anyone with about A level in Chemistry and Biology to read

COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940565/Information_for_Healthcare_Professionals_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.pdf

[Sheepy]

Never mind Sheeps they'll just put you through the dip,haircut and a dab with some fluorescent dye

Same shit different day then.

[Nalaar]

The threats have started

Low uptake will mean harsh restrictions for longer, Van Tam says

Threat, or perfectly reasonable statement?

[cromwell]

The Independent seems a little confused as usual.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/coronavirus-vaccine-pfizer-given-protection-from-legal-action-by-uk-government/ar-BB1bzBv0?ocid=msedgntp

Never mind Sheeps they'll just put you through the dip,haircut and a dab with some fluorescent dye

[Sheepy]

Just filled in my PHP locator form ready for returning to U.K.
Will see if quarantine exemption is accepted, hope so as I'm not that bothered about getting a jab. Will leave more for you ole gits, what with me being just a lad.

Remember when Del boy found the Peckham spring?