The Tory proposals

[Churchill]

The NHS has approximately 30,000 nurse vacancies. Recruitment and retention have suffered under the Conservatives because they pulled the bursaries and have made working conditions for NHS workers intolerable.



If the Conservatives win as they look likely  to do so I strongly suspect nothing will change beyond reduced numbers of EU nurses coming to the UK because increased barriers to moving and xenophobia.

It is far too simplistic to blame one party the Conservatives for all the NHS's problems it did not change much when Labour were in charge for 13 years on the slogan 24 hours to save the NHS, sadly it is used by all Poloticians for political point scoring which I detest.



The NHS is the largest employer in Europe if not the world with over 1 million members of staff the wages bill alone is huge, staff are constantly leaving for different reasons, had enough of the anti social hours pay and conditions, abuse and violence from some patients and their families, ill health, leaving to work abroad, retiring, which also happens in the rest of our emergency services.



No matter which party is in power it will still mean a three 3 year degree course to train a Nurse from scratch , seven years for a Doctor there is no quick fix



The reality as I see its all of our infrastructure is struggling to cope with the numbers of people in the UK over 65 million people, people have come to live in the UK for hundreds of years.



However there is a limit to how many we can cater for house find work for etc or treat in our hospitals, I believe at least 1 million people a day attend A&E departments, with many more patients attending appointments



You can trot out the censor ship label of xenophobia as much as you like it will not change reality , there are no plans to either deport EU citizens be they nursing staff or not when Brexit happens, in fact the Government is openly telling them register now before Brexit so you can stay and come and go as you please.



Even if the Conservatives win and they do bring in an Australian style immigration policy, people with the skills we need be it nurses Doctors or any other profession that have the skills we need will be fast tracked into the UK, be they from the EU or outside it.



Preventing non skilled workers will control the numbers of people coming in , which is sensible it will take some of the pressure on our entire infrastructure.



Labour on the other hand if they win will still allow freedom of movement which will mean more pressure on our infrastructure , whilst we are trying to plug the holes in a sinking ship, they will be boring holes in the keel.

[Ciaphas]

I would  not like to move to another country to get a job, and besides, what they must think if British women are not up for it.

Firstly nursing isn't a woman-only profession.



Secondly it's ridiculous to attribute nursing shortages to an alledged deficiency with British women. The problem is poor recruitment and retention because bursaries were pulled and working conditions have deteriorated under the Conservatives.



It doesn't matter if you wouldn't want to work oversees. I don't care where people come from, least of a when I or someone I care for is in need of medical care.

[Ciaphas]

Nothing my wife is a nurse and not born in the UK nor is she a British Citizen, the majority of the NHS workforce are British Citizens but what we do need to do is train more of those who are already here in the UK.

The NHS has approximately 30,000 nurse vacancies. Recruitment and retention have suffered under the Conservatives because they pulled the bursaries and have made working conditions for NHS workers intolerable.



If the Conservatives win as they look likely  to do so I strongly suspect nothing will change beyond reduced numbers of EU nurses coming to the UK because increased barriers to moving and xenophobia.

[Baron von Lotsov]

What's wrong with a nurse born outside the UK?

I would  not like to move to another country to get a job, and besides, what they must think if British women are not up for it.

[Churchill]

Nothing my wife is a nurse and not born in the UK nor is she a British Citizen, the majority of the NHS workforce are British Citizens but what we do need to do is train more of those who are already here in the UK.

[Ciaphas]

Why on earth can't British women do nursing these days? What is wrong with them?

What's wrong with a nurse born outside the UK?

[Churchill]

Probably read some of your posts and thought sod that I couldn't look after someone like him

  :-P

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[Baron von Lotsov]

The empowerment of the little darlings should make it so.



Women can do anything now, so they can look after me.

[cromwell]

Why on earth can't British women do nursing these days? What is wrong with them?

Probably read some of your posts and thought sod that I couldn't look after someone like him

  :-P

[Churchill]

There was a time - was it Harold Wilson's days? - that the top earners were taxed 98%. That's 2p in each £ left to take home and they still ran out of money. That was ridiculous. Has there been any idea just how much Labour will be prepared to tax the over £80,000 earners if they succeed in reaching Downing St?



My SIL would be easily a top earner and he has already said that he will give up working if Corbyn starts. So that's just one sizeable chunk that won't be coming to the coffers. There will be plenty  of others. Corbyn won't get his hands on as much as he thinks. People earning that kind of money are not stupid. They will leave the country rather than give it to them. Corbyn et al will spend spend spend like there is no tomorrow. They are already promising it. Who will prosper? I don't suppose Corbyn or his cronies will be on the breadline.

If one is fortunate enough to earn £80,000 at the present time you will pay £19,496 income tax and £5,564 NI, if Corbyn &Co get in they will pay more

[Baron von Lotsov]

There was a time - was it Harold Wilson's days? - that the top earners were taxed 98%. That's 2p in each £ left to take home and they still ran out of money. That was ridiculous. Has there been any idea just how much Labour will be prepared to tax the over £80,000 earners if they succeed in reaching Downing St?



My SIL would be easily a top earner and he has already said that he will give up working if Corbyn starts. So that's just one sizeable chunk that won't be coming to the coffers. There will be plenty  of others. Corbyn won't get his hands on as much as he thinks. People earning that kind of money are not stupid. They will leave the country rather than give it to them. Corbyn et al will spend spend spend like there is no tomorrow. They are already promising it. Who will prosper? I don't suppose Corbyn or his cronies will be on the breadline.

A good friend of our family was on the 98% rate. You know what he did in the war? He was an engineer who designed the pontoons for the D Day landing. He was a brilliant engineer who cared a great deal about this country and the government wanted 98% of his money. The only way around it was to loan it to the government, i.e. government bonds.

[T00ts]

There was a time - was it Harold Wilson's days? - that the top earners were taxed 98%. That's 2p in each £ left to take home and they still ran out of money. That was ridiculous. Has there been any idea just how much Labour will be prepared to tax the over £80,000 earners if they succeed in reaching Downing St?



My SIL would be easily a top earner and he has already said that he will give up working if Corbyn starts. So that's just one sizeable chunk that won't be coming to the coffers. There will be plenty  of others. Corbyn won't get his hands on as much as he thinks. People earning that kind of money are not stupid. They will leave the country rather than give it to them. Corbyn et al will spend spend spend like there is no tomorrow. They are already promising it. Who will prosper? I don't suppose Corbyn or his cronies will be on the breadline.

[Baron von Lotsov]

Bit of a damp squib and even then the IFS has stated the triple-locks means it's unclear how they'll fund anything without additional revenue from increasing taxes.



https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/the-conservative-party-manifesto-an-initial-response-from-ifs-director-paul-johnson">https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/ar ... ul-johnson">https://www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/the-conservative-party-manifesto-an-initial-response-from-ifs-director-paul-johnson



The extra nurses promise was simply misleading since that includes 19k 'retained nurses. If anything EU nurses having to pay a healthcare and a visa fee post-Brexit will likely discourage many of them from coming here.



He'll forge a new Britain alright, one that will make the last nine years of Conservative rule look benign and competent.

Why on earth can't British women do nursing these days? What is wrong with them?

[Churchill]

You've just demonstrated your ignorance.  Anyone earning under £80,000 a year will not pay any higher taxes under Labour proposals.



Ridiculous fear mongering.

I am think you are showing your inability to understand the reality of the situation, hence the offensive remark bad manners in my book is ignorance



Labours manifesto clearly states they will tax those who earn over £80.00 per year, what you have not taken into account with what Labour propose to spend there will not be enough high earners to tax enough to pay for it, many of those will leave the UK as will global businesses, as will the Super Rich.



Jobs will go revenue will fall so they will have to tax those who earn less than 80 grand more to pay for the pie in the sky promises and pay to borrow billions more , that is inevitable

[Ciaphas]

At least the Tory one is more sensible and probably more affordable which should be deliverable, the Labour one is not based on hate and envy ,to try and deliver what they promises will cost hundreds of billions , higher taxes all round , higher borrowing IMO not deliverable or affordable just pie in the sky.

You've just demonstrated your ignorance.  Anyone earning under £80,000 a year will not pay any higher taxes under Labour proposals.



Ridiculous fear mongering.