Corbyn Coup on NHS

[Nick]

Most Labour voters don't care about facts at all. They are like Pappy, blinded by their hatred of the Tories. They don't care that the steepest increase in national debt came under Labour or as Barry points out the greatest sell off of the NHS came under Labour.



#Blinkered.

[Churchill]

Now not a lot of Labour supports want to know that, many living in the real world allready  do

[Barry]

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Jo: What percentage of privatisation is there in the NHS

Andy McD: 10 billion

Jo: What percentage

Andy: 10 billion

Jo: 7%

Andy: OK 7%

Jo: "Under what government was most of that done?"

Andy: "We want to roll that back"

Jo: "Under Labour"



Labour have privatised more of the NHS than the Conservatives. Not a lot of people seem to know that!

[Churchill]

If I was in charge that's where he would be  ::

[Barry]

Apparantly Comrade Corbyn is going to tackle Trump over the NHS at the reception tonight at Buckingham Palace, I hope HRM sets the Corgis on him   ::

I can't see him getting very far with that.

The 🐶🐶🐶🐶 might chase him all the way out to the Tower.  ::

[Churchill]

Apparantly Comrade Corbyn is going to tackle Trump over the NHS at the reception tonight at Buckingham Palace, I hope HRM sets the Corgis on him   ::

[Churchill]

I agree



Throwing money at the NHS is akin to respraying your car without treating the rust and corrosion  first it will resurface quickly, it needs to be run more efficiently and cost effective or will never be in a position to deal with the needs of over 65 and counting million people

[Barry]

What do people think of Jo Swinson's 1p on income tax ring fenced to NHS, policy?

I think we've had ring fencing type plans with cash before, they always seem to just get absorbed. Then she is saying we'll have a 50 odd billion no Brexit bonus, which is obviously arguable, what will she do with that.

I suppose it's all a bit hypothetical, as they are not doing well enough in the polls for Swinson to get close to the keys to Number 10.

In my view the NHS needs to work smarter and not necessarily just have money thrown at it. They always have money for doughnuts.

[Churchill]

The US wants to trade with us, we want trade with them that is what the preliminary discussions are all about a new agreement when we leave the EU,  Corbyn thinks wrongly its up for sale and keeps repeating it hoping some will believe him.

[BeElBeeBub]

This comes down to what you mean by "up for sale"



As I said previously, US companies don't want to buy the NHS, they want to sell to it.



They want some of the systems that prevent them from making bigger profits on their sales to the NHS removed.



The government has promised it won't concede on these points.



But it has also promised that a US trade deal will be done very quickly.



It is going to have to chose which one of those promises to break.

[Churchill]

They are pushing it out as true proof that the NHS is up for sale, it is not and never will be sadly some out there will think this is the truth when it clearly is not, if you claim something is true and you know it is not true,then that is a calculated blatant lie Labour are lying.

[Ciaphas]

You really are grasping at straws when I gave my personal opinion I had no idea Liam Fox had been monitoring the discussions why would I have had, when you mentioned him I checked and found out he had been and rightly so , but what is sinister about that ? he was doing his job,.



If you have not been following the media over the last 24 hours Labour are telling a pack of lies, (  again my personal opinion )

Alright just pretend all is rosy because Labour over-reached with their conclusions due to a particular line in the report which said something about moving onto next steps that they have interpreted to mean the US position had been broadly accepted.



It seems large sections of the media are more concerned with what Labour did than the actual contents of the documents which at the very least deserves equal coverage given the potential future consequences.



Labour have royally screwed up what could have been a easy win if they've avoided the hyperbole and supplied the detail with the caveat that it is ultimately speculative.



Makes me wonder which plank thought this was a good idea. Best leave the bare-faced lying to Boris, he can get actually away with it.

[Churchill]

You really are grasping at straws when I gave my personal opinion I had no idea Liam Fox had been monitoring the discussions why would I have had, when you mentioned him I checked and found out he had been and rightly so , but what is sinister about that ? he was doing his job,.



If you have not been following the media over the last 24 hours Labour are telling a pack of lies, (  again my personal opinion )

[Ciaphas]

Of course they are acting on behalf of the Government Officials from the Trade Department that is their job, they discuss Trade with other nations the US included these discussions were probbaly due to the fact the UK voted to leave the EU.



Carried out in preparation for the future without the EU, on trade across the board between the UK and the US, I have no doubt that the Trade Department will have had similar discussions with other nations outside the EU as well



It is hardly surprising that Liam Fox was involved he was appointed as Overseas Secretary Trade Secretary in 2016 to 2019 he needs to know is how these sounding each other out discussions are progressing.



The report that Corbyn dramatically waved about covers far more then the NHS, in fact the NHS only accounts for a small section of the report not reams of it.

   

This is a very desperate smoke and mirror job by Labour to weaponize the NHS once again, as when and if any serious trade proposals are put forward with the US then the real deal making discussions will begin, if and when a new agreement can be made on trade of any kind with the US it will then be out before the House to decide.

You just said nobody from the governnent were involved and are now saying it's hardly surprising that Liam Fox was involved.



Labour have unfortunately resortes to hyperbole in this instance and in doing so have given a get out route to those seeking to downplay the very real concerns this document raises in regards to the UK's future trade agreement with the US.



In regards to the NHS the document apparantly includes a note that references to the NHS should be avoided and that the phrase 'access to markets' should be used instead to avoid public alarm. Therefore when they discuss having full access to markets this includes full access to the NHS without explicitely saying so.



It's worth listening to James O'Briens show on LBC yesterday when he had a guest on explaining the details around the NHS, namely that the US really doesn't like nice because not only does it enable the UK to reduce drug purchases through bulk buying but is also used by other countries to determine whether they buy a particular drug and how much they'll pay.



It is in the interests of the US to see NICE disbanded or its independence undermined.



There is also loads of other non-NHS stuff that is worrying though I'm unclear on why you think that makes the NHS concerns or even the wider concerns raised by the document less important.

[Churchill]

Liam Fox was involved in at least one of the meeting. Even if no ministers had been directly involved the the civil servants are acting on the behalf of the government so you're splitting hairs.



Listening to a guest on LBC the tone of the document made it clear that the US feels we need them far more than they need us. Additionally the US wants a no deal Brexit to fully isolate the UK from the EU.

Of course they are acting on behalf of the Government Officials from the Trade Department that is their job, they discuss Trade with other nations the US included these discussions were probbaly due to the fact the UK voted to leave the EU.



Carried out in preparation for the future without the EU, on trade across the board between the UK and the US, I have no doubt that the Trade Department will have had similar discussions with other nations outside the EU as well



It is hardly surprising that Liam Fox was involved he was appointed as Overseas Secretary Trade Secretary in 2016 to 2019 he needs to know is how these sounding each other out discussions are progressing.



The report that Corbyn dramatically waved about covers far more then the NHS, in fact the NHS only accounts for a small section of the report not reams of it.

   

This is a very desperate smoke and mirror job by Labour to weaponize the NHS once again, as when and if any serious trade proposals are put forward with the US then the real deal making discussions will begin, if and when a new agreement can be made on trade of any kind with the US it will then be out before the House to decide.