Time to move on ?

[Thomas]

I doubt any one product is necessarily exclusively made of parts from the brand's originating country.

without getting into another arguement on the merits / failings of brexit , which is done and dusted for the forseeable future , i fully agree with this statement and said something likeminded earlier in this thread.

like it or not we are all intertwined , and from what i can see most of us recognise this  , but on the flip side i can't see the english accepting any eu rules or laws to buy a bit of french wine or german beer.

I find it partly frustrating we seem to be involved in a never ending broken down record of non stop brexit arguemnts from yesteryear  , as though one side seems to think opinions will change if they shout the same thing over and over long enough.

We are past that , opinions are entrenched , somehow we need to move on  , but dont seem able to.

[patman post]

I believe a place in China was renamed Sheffield so they could make cheap cutlery and stamp it made in Sheffield. Be assured that when the Chinese perfect sparkling wine a town in China will pop up called Champagne.

I'm still not being told anything that is exclusive to the EU though.

The Chinese Sheffield story sounds unlikely — the brand I refer to is Viners which, I believe, is not Chinese, but now has  a Liverpudlian owner.
I doubt any one product is necessarily exclusively made of parts from the brand's originating country. Even the French wine industry owes its survival to aphid resistant US vine root stock. And the current pandemic illustrates how foolish countries are to tie themselves to an ideology of going it alone.   
In the Boston Consulting Group's 50 most innovative companies of 2021, nine European companies make the list ranging from 30 to 50.  AstraZeneca of the UK makes into the list at 49, and it needed overseas partners...

[Thomas]

. Strangely enough they never afforded the U.K. the same level of protection over Sheffield Steel.

Nick to be fair i dont think thats quite true though is it?

If you cast your mind back , the eu wanted to hit cheap chinese imported steel into the EU with punitive tariffs and it was a certain member state , the united kingdom and one david cameron who vetoed it years ago if my memory serves well.

Lets be fair where fairs due ?

David Cameron accused of failing UK steel after EU proposal rejected


Sajid Javid said it would not be right to scrap EU lesser duty rule, which some countries want to do in order to allow higher tariffs on cheap Chinese steel

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/10/david-cameron-accused-failing-uk-steel-industry-blocking-eu-lesser-duty-proposal

good and bad everywhere as i say , and the uk has left the eu so its no longer our concern , but put the blame on certain issues where they should lay.

Trade and China

The crisis is exacerbated by the dumping of cheap Chinese steel onto the European market, but as part of the EU we can act against steel dumping far better than we could on our own.

The EU is actively using all trade policy instruments at its disposal to ensure a level playing field – 16 measures are specifically on Chinese imports. The EU is also using bilateral steel dialogues to engage the EU's main trading partners in policy exchanges and early discussion of possible trade frictions.

The EU is also contemplating trade sanctions against China, and it could have imposed a tax on Chinese steel sold at unfair prices much faster (and at a higher rate such as that applied by the US). However, it was the UK that did not want higher tariffs and it is the UK itself that has blocked EU-level measures that could have protected jobs.

The UK is also supportive of granting China market economy status, which would mean China would be considered as any other member of the WTO and we would be unable to impose tariffs on their unfairly priced products. Many other EU countries are against granting this status to China and we stand a better chance working with these countries in the EU to prevent China being eligible to the same favourable conditions as other WTO members.
Conclusion

More than half of UK steel exports are to the EU, so leaving would increase tariffs and barriers thus increasing the prices at which British exporters are able to sell.

Brexit would not save British steel – government intervention would.

[Thomas]

Good job we've closed our border and the million economic migrants have left.

What was it though 6 million EU citizens applied to stay in the uk  , which pappy is silent on while at the same time bleating brexit is bad and overpopualtion cant continue.

No wonder he is such a figure of ridicule on this forum.

You cannot have eu membership without freedom of movement etc. So either brexit is good  ( at least in part) regarding helping alleviate to some degree pappies overpopulation bogeyman ( bearing in mind he is an immigrant to cornwall himsellf and he and his wife have helped push up cornish houseprices for the locals) or brexit is bad , in which pappy accepts freedom of movement and overpopulation.

As i said many a time pappy couldnt give a feck abour brexit , and originally supported it from memoery , but now its nothing more than a convenient bandwagon to jump aboard to scream tory bad while twisting himself in knots about cheap farm labour on the one hand from the eu while at the same time talking about gun turrets in the channel coasts to curb overpopualtion through mass uncontrolled immigration.

The ill thought out hypocrisy is staggering. All so he can scream tory bad.

[Nick]

Apologies — I don't understand your point.  I have seen imported stainless steel cutlery stamped "Made in Sheffield", so perhaps Sheffield Steel  shot itself in the foot before it could get an 'appellations d'origine'...

I believe a place in China was renamed Sheffield so they could make cheap cutlery and stamp it made in Sheffield. Be assured that when the Chinese perfect sparkling wine a town in China will pop up called Champagne.

I'm still not being told anything that is exclusive to the EU though.

[Nick]

With the currently level of population, no it can't.

Good job we've closed our border and the million economic migrants have left.

[patman post]

I notice that you once again failed to point to something exclusively EU.
You could have said Champagne, which of course is a trade trade name protected by the EU. Strangely enough they never afforded the U.K. the same level of protection over Sheffield Steel.

Apologies — I don't understand your point.  I have seen imported stainless steel cutlery stamped "Made in Sheffield", so perhaps Sheffield Steel  shot itself in the foot before it could get an 'appellations d'origine'...

[Nick]

None at the moment. My new "rice burner" was assembled  in Thailand, despite it being a Honda.

We'll make one up, that should make it easier for you to find something I can't find.

[Sheepy]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/eu-warned-against-trade-war-with-brexit-britain-they-have-got-more-to-lose/ar-AAMNNX0?ocid=msedgntp
But then I really couldn't give a flying one. Bypassing the EU and if need be, the mad hatters is already working out. It only takes a little effort.

[cromwell]

It is still valid.

Right so Brexit and ditching free movement was a good idea.

[Thomas]

John Donne, Ann Donne, Gerry undone 

This uncivilised and bitter tantrums and bad sportsmanship in losing really isnt doing the remainers like gerry and friends any good is it borkie?

We are now reduced to bitter twisted sock puppets posting mocking pro brexit posts such is the beating remainers have received time and again both online and at the ballot box and every other conceivable platform of discussion.

[Thomas]

So what happened to your carrying capacity argument?

ended up the same place as all his other arguments , twisted to pieces and ripped to sheds in his desperate desire to oppose the tories for opposition sake even if it meant discarding his own long term view on things like immigration.

Every now and again his true comments and thoughts on things like migration shine through like the comment above or previous ones like gun turrets on the channel coasts to shoot dinghies and people while at the same time contradicting himself demanding the tories reinstate mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU ( farm workers , lorry drivers and whatever else is politically expedient in the day) in his usual not very well thought out anti tory political opportunism.

Just another sunday of pappysmurf contortions and about turns as he tries to face both ways on any and every subject and falls flat on his arse time and again

[Borchester]

When thou hast done, thou hast not done, For I have more.

Didnt the english poet John Donne famously have the foresight to sum up english remainers of the twenty first century when he famously wrote ...



Im sure gerry is a particular fan .

John Donne, Ann Donne, Gerry undone 

[papasmurf]

So what happened to your carrying capacity argument?

It is still valid.

[cromwell]

With the currently level of population, no it can't.

So what happened to your carrying capacity argument?