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[Sheepy]

In Israel, are they about to admit defeat?

https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/

A lot of people should be made to answer for all of this, but they won't just like the banking crisis they will crawl back in the woodwork until next time.

[Barry]

In Israel, are they about to admit defeat?

https://swprs.org/professor-ehud-qimron-ministry-of-health-its-time-to-admit-failure/

[Sheepy]

Boris, in his pre Christmas booster drive lied when he said the jabs would protect us all against Omicron and passing it on. What were his real motives? - as Omicron has ripped through the whole population.

'VIP lane' used by government to hand out PPE contracts was unlawful, High Court rules (msn.com)

[Sheepy]

Lies the WHO has lied from day one. Purely covering their own backsides.
Repeated Covid boosters not viable strategy against new variants, WHO experts warn (msn.com)

[Barry]

Also in this morning's news.

CDC director Rochelle Walensky said Covid-19  vaccines are no longer effective at preventing transmission. (Sheepy, Scott and I have been telling you all this. Thank us later) Find your own links.
The European Medicines Agency are warning against the repeated booster jabs because it compromises the immune systems.
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/eu-regulators-warn-frequent-covid-19-booster-shots-could-affect-immune-system

Boris, in his pre Christmas booster drive lied when he said the jabs would protect us all against Omicron and passing it on. What were his real motives? - as Omicron has ripped through the whole population.

[Sheepy]

Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt 'international harmony' (msn.com)
A holes, I suppose an apology will be forthcoming.

[Barry]

Analyse this.

https://www.pandata.org/20-lies/

By the way. What happened to the beginning of this thread? It was a great chronicle of events in a pandemic which has changed everyone's' lives. Rather sad to have lost it. Oh well.

[Sheepy]

I got dragged onto several cruises by the Ball and Chain.  I put a stop to it because I got disgusted at the geriatric British passengers "colonial" attitude towards the Filipino crew.

LOL sure you did Smurfy, you must have been cruising on the SS Chav.

[papasmurf]

I have no personal interest in this as I've never been on a cruise and I've never had any desire to go on one.

I got dragged onto several cruises by the Ball and Chain.  I put a stop to it because I got disgusted at the geriatric British passengers "colonial" attitude towards the Filipino crew.

[Barry]

Researchers have found 5 genes which make people susceptible to severe illness from the Sars-Cov-2 virus.

IFNAR2, TYK2, OAS1, DPP9 and CCR2

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/12/11/research-finds-5-genes-linked-to-most-severe-form-of-covid-19

Less of the socio economic, racism claptrap, please.

[patman post]

People who still want to go on cruises should be allowed to. We should all have our freedoms restored to make our own decisions.
What Nick says about the cost of protecting people is significant.
Some people will say that every life is priceless, which it is.
However, the NHS put a price on treatment according to prognosis which is why N.I.C.E. exists and we don't give people about to die hugely expensive treatment.

The average age of people dying is 84-86, how many years did they have left?
The 1920 epidemic mostly killed young people, taking 40-50 years off their life span. This epidemic gets the old and is taking maybe 10 years off what they may have otherwise lived.  Maybe people will eventually figure out that the economically active people in this country need to be kept going, or we will all suffer.

It all sounds like the arguments over capital punishment and euthanasia — there are entrenched views which may take decades, or even centuries, for there to be anywhere near total agreement.

Meanwhile, those running various countries have to arrive at workable (or personal) compromises for their own citizens...

[Javert]

So it could be years before the cruise industry gets back into full swing.

I would hazard that this will happen when there is widespread availability of highly accurate and fast Covid-19 testing at the point of test - there are already a lot of prototypes for this in the research phase.

[Barry]

People who still want to go on cruises should be allowed to. We should all have our freedoms restored to make our own decisions.
What Nick says about the cost of protecting people is significant.
Some people will say that every life is priceless, which it is.
However, the NHS put a price on treatment according to prognosis which is why N.I.C.E. exists and we don't give people about to die hugely expensive treatment.

The average age of people dying is 84-86, how many years did they have left?
The 1920 epidemic mostly killed young people, taking 40-50 years off their life span. This epidemic gets the old and is taking maybe 10 years off what they may have otherwise lived.  Maybe people will eventually figure out that the economically active people in this country need to be kept going, or we will all suffer.

[HDQQ]

On the subject of 'getting back to normal' which some people think is OK to do now while others of us don't . . . .

What about the cruise industry as an example?  At the moment the industry is halted. There at least half a dozen mega cruise liners moored off the south coast of Britain for all to see.

If the cruise industry was to restart now, every single cruise voyage would face the prospect of the ship becoming a floating hospital and mortuary before it's over. Now some will say that with 2,000+ passengers, many of whom are elderly, there's always going to be some people who get ill and maybe even die while on a cruise.  That's true but in current circumstances hundreds of people might get ill, dozens might need intensive care and many of them would probably die. So far, so obvious. But the next question is when will it be considered safe for cruises to resume?  Even if covid-19 infections are reduced to 1% of what they are now, if one infected person goes on a cruise, the outbreak on their ship could be just as severe. Even if they test all the passengers and crew before boarding, someone could slip through the net. So it could be years before the cruise industry gets back into full swing.

I have no personal interest in this as I've never been on a cruise and I've never had any desire to go on one.

[Nick]

A $billion per person? Where did you get that figure from?

I got it from an Australian friend but they were a little out. It was actually 200 million AUD per person in Victoria so still significant. The point being they have tanked their economy for a handful of people b