Chris Whitty on those 'peddling untruths' on Covid vaccines

[papasmurf]

I always thought his username was Barry not  Cor Blimey

That was the idiot automatic censor on the forum. It seems to be easily offended.

[cromwell]

Don't you keep up with current affairs at all Cor Blimey .
Children gather in bug incubators called classrooms, and bring any bugs back out with them and then infect anyone they come into contact with.
It isn't exclusive to Covid it is a fact of life.

I always thought his username was Barry not  Cor Blimey

[papasmurf]

LINK?

Don't you keep up with current affairs at all FFS.
Children gather in bug incubators called classrooms, and bring any bugs back out with them and then infect anyone they come into contact with.
It isn't exclusive to Covid it is a fact of life.

[patman post]

The cause of disruption is not them being diagnosed as positive.
The cause is the ridiculous rules/advice emanating from government. Which you have fully backed all along.
It is also exacerbated by people testing healthy children who do not have symptoms, and therefore, do not have Covid-19, by definition.

I've abided by and supported whatever the mainstream medics have recommended since about mid-2020 — before then the government wasn't taking much data and info about Covid that seriously until it (the govt) suddenly hit panic mode. 


The delay in getting school children vaccinated, and installing ventilation and taking other measures, before the end of the Summer break, now appears to have triggered a further wave of infections.


Nevertheless, my reckoning is that until now the rules and recommendations on containing Covid that have been developed while vaccination built up resistance in the population have played their part in keeping the virus at lower levels that might have otherwise been expected. 


Now it has to be all hands to the pump and get everyone vaccinated with the recommended single, double and booster jabs ASAP...

[Barry]

But children have a higher potential to transmit it.

LINK?

Plus the disruption to schooling caused through any of them being diagnosed as positive — so I guess any lessening of the spread is thought to be an overall positive...

The cause of disruption is not them being diagnosed as positive.
The cause is the ridiculous rules/advice emanating from government. Which you have fully backed all along.
It is also exacerbated by people testing healthy children who do not have symptoms, and therefore, do not have Covid-19, by definition.

[patman post]

Plus the disruption to schooling caused through any of them being diagnosed as positive — so I guess any lessening of the spread is thought to be an overall positive...

[papasmurf]

It's not the plague. Everyone is a potential carrier of viruses.

But children have a higher potential to transmit it.

[Barry]

It's not the plague. Everyone is a potential carrier of viruses.

Poor kids, I do wish they would stop away from them with their needles. There's no need for it as they are not at risk.
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) said so, refusing to recommend it.
Israel are taking an unnecessary risk with infants, in my opinion, which is worth very little, of course.

[papasmurf]

I see that Israel is vaccinating the under 2 yr olds now. I am sure Whitty was and is very concerned at his decision. It is a massive call for anyone particularly in the face of so much dissent. He was damned if he did or didn't.

Due to children being potential plague carriers I am following the instructions "keep away from children."

[T00ts]

I see that Israel is vaccinating the under 2 yr olds now. I am sure Whitty was and is very concerned at his decision. It is a massive call for anyone particularly in the face of so much dissent. He was damned if he did or didn't.

[johnofgwent]

As Toots says, but also there's real data to go on:

   
• In England, between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were 51,281 deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19); 640 occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, which includes people who had been infected before they were vaccinated.
• The risk of death involving COVID-19 was consistently lower for people who had received two vaccinations compared to one or no vaccination, as shown by the weekly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving COVID-19.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021

So although vaccination may not be a magic bullet, on the bald figures, vaccinated people appear to be over 80 times safer from dying with Covid than unvaccinated people..

I wonder how enthusiastic Whitty is about kids getting the jab.....


I ask because the Joint committee on vaccinated nation and immunisation has reported that the benefits of immunising the 12-15 age group are greater than the known risks, but only marginally so, thus they choose to pass judgement to Whitty rather than state a course with certainty.


And he seems far keener than the JCVI ....


How are his share options doing ??

[patman post]

I think we should start with jailing him for peddling the untruth that the vaccine is a magic bullet.

As Toots says, but also there's real data to go on:

   
• In England, between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were 51,281 deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19); 640 occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, which includes people who had been infected before they were vaccinated.
• The risk of death involving COVID-19 was consistently lower for people who had received two vaccinations compared to one or no vaccination, as shown by the weekly age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) for deaths involving COVID-19.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19byvaccinationstatusengland/deathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021

So although vaccination may not be a magic bullet, on the bald figures, vaccinated people appear to be over 80 times safer from dying with Covid than unvaccinated people...



   



   



   



 

[papasmurf]

Bear in mind I've seen this from both sides with the eyes of a "pro" and a victim. It's breathtaking. Or it would have been had long Covid not already taken it.

I think long covid is going to be a bigger issue than is currently realised young people/children in general may not be dying from Covid but an increasing number appear to be showing the symptoms of long covid.

[T00ts]

It's breathtaking. Or it would have been had long Covid not already taken it.

I have seen Xrays of Covid damaged lungs that look pretty much like mine although more severe. Do they not offer inhalers to you since you have breathing difficulties? Or are you battling without meds.

[johnofgwent]

Was anyone under the illusion that it was a magic bullet? Surely we knew from the beginning that it was not 100% and since then Delta variant put paid to it. Are they still developing it against Delta or have they gone as far as they can so the 80% if we are lucky, will be it?

All I understood was that the hope was that it would reduce deaths amongst the old and most vulnerable. That seems to have happened. Perhaps it was too much to hope that they could produce the definitive cure/deterrent in the time that they produced these vaccines. They started this with the plan to get herd immunity thinking that they could control the spread. When they couldn't they panicked. Even now they seem to be worrying for the lack of facilities to cope as it spreads through the unvaccinated. I suspect they are hoping that most of the young will be able to survive it. It remains to be seen how Covid survivors are affected in the coming years.

I think in brief the "experts" are heavy on promises and light on caveats. That, plus the stark difference between the official doom and gloom peddled to those who are presumed free of it, and the propaganda in the other direction handed to those facing death after catching it.


Overall, it's the fact they are two faced at both coalfaces that annoys me the most. And I'm talking about the liars in suits, not the professionals in uniform left to pick up the mess the liars in suits leave behind.


Bear in mind I've seen this from both sides with the eyes of a "pro" and a victim. It's breathtaking. Or it would have been had long Covid not already taken it.