Tory Scum!

[papasmurf]

Name something that you can't get now (because of Brexit) that you could get before?

That shortages are only a small part of the problem currently. The damage done to businesses was swift in some cases, in others has become so difficult to export to Europe because of the amount of paperwork and non tariff costs the situation is dire for companies trying to export, to the point they well give up. When the majority of what they produce goes to Europe there is only one outcome of that.
Due the inability to get staff from Europe any more due to Brexit , others companies will go bust. 

[Thomas]

The probable truth is too many people were too confident that the vote would be for remain and so we're too ready to stay home and leave it to others. 


Well, their overconfidence has turned round and bitten them in the butt. Now they've got to try and make a UK — that's mostly outside the EU — work while the government works to rescue the situation in whatever form, and under whatever name name, it can give it...

The brexit referendum turnout was the highest i can remember of any vote in decades except the indy ref , at over 72 %.

Some 5 to 10 points, and above that  , of any general election i can remember going back to the days of of john major , and you have to go back 40 years to see any comparabale turnouts.

So to me , the fact you claim brexiters won due to remainers staying home seems to be an out and out cop out excuse. Especially when you take into consideration subsequent elections after 2016 , where brexiters won each and every one.

It seems remainers are quick to invent historical revision to excuse thier losses.

.....but if you dont turn up on the day , you can't have a say or be counted therafter.

[Thomas]

Name something that you can't get now (because of Brexit) that you could get before?

This argument that the electorate diditn know what they were voting for and have changed thier minds isnt a new arguemnt. We have been hearing this since 2016 , and its no more true today than it was 5 years ago.

How many elections have we had since where the electorate could vote in pro EU labour to reverse brexit?

Remember the likes of javert and quackers telling us how the silent majority were going to vote labour in 2019?

What about the EU elections were the holier than thou bbc actually went all the way out to produce propaganda graphs showing pro eu parties actually winning the eu election ?

What is it in electoral terms ......5 - 0 to brexiters?

[Nick]

Also £100 million to daffodil producers, bivalve mollusc production, businesses have closed due 95% of their market disappearing. Other companies trying to export drowning in extra paperwork and costs.

So you can't name a product then? Another round of dodge the question by Pappy.

[Nick]

Tomato Juice From Concentrate

How much do you want? And I think you'll find any issue is most likely down to Covid and a lack of Drivers and not supply.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eager-Pressed-Tomato-Juice-Litre/dp/B004TEZJ5O/ref=asc_df_B004TEZJ5O/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=222239314065&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14287937933225629384&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006736&hvtargid=pla-712966859200&th=1

[Nick]

Others who voted leave now realise the gravity their mistake.

How could you possible know what voters now think? You just make things up to suit your argument.

[patman post]

No a pathetic attempt, the reality, there were so many lies and bullshine from both sides which made is impossible for many people to come to a decision they did not vote. Others who voted leave now realise the gravity their mistake.
That you cannot get your head around that is not my problem.
Also £100 million to daffodil producers, bivalve mollusc production, businesses have closed due 95% of their market disappearing. Other companies trying to export drowning in extra paperwork and costs.
The list goes on and on.

The probable truth is too many people were too confident that the vote would be for remain and so we're too ready to stay home and leave it to others.   


Well, their overconfidence has turned round and bitten them in the butt. Now they've got to try and make a UK — that's mostly outside the EU — work while the government works to rescue the situation in whatever form, and under whatever name name, it can give it...

[johnofgwent]

Name something that you can't get now (because of Brexit) that you could get before?

Tomato Juice From Concentrate


As a marginal type 2 diabetic orange and apple juice are non starters.


Tomato juice from Concentrate has been out of stock in every Aldi, Lidl, Tescos, Morrisions and Sainsbury's within a 15 mile radius of NP19 since March.

[papasmurf]

Another pathetic attempt at subterfuge, it was 57% of those that could be bothered to put their dressing gown on and vote, either way it was 14% more than voted remain.

No a pathetic attempt, the reality, there were so many lies and bullshine from both sides which made is impossible for many people to come to a decision they did not vote. Others who voted leave now realise the gravity their mistake.
That you cannot get your head around that is not my problem.
Also £100 million to daffodil producers, bivalve mollusc production, businesses have closed due 95% of their market disappearing. Other companies trying to export drowning in extra paperwork and costs.
The list goes on and on.

[patman post]

Name something that you can't get now (because of Brexit) that you could get before?

Admissions from remain voters that it was the best decision they ever made — some were wavering recently, but they've totally disappeared now...

[Nick]

disaster that is Brexit.

Name something that you can't get now (because of Brexit) that you could get before?

[Nick]

It also was not 57% of the electorate.

Another pathetic attempt at subterfuge, it was 57% of those that could be bothered to put their dressing gown on and vote, either way it was 14% more than voted remain.

[papasmurf]

Whatever that's supposed to mean

What it states on the tin, an accurate assessment but lacking a few categories.
I hear a lot worse stated about the Tories every day and not out of political motivation but because of the way over 10 years of Tory rule has damaged them plus the disaster that is Brexit.

[papasmurf]

The whole of Cornwall voted leave except Truro, it averaged 57% leave across the region. What you want and what actually happens are not necessarily the same.

That is irrelevant, that was before the damage caused by Brexit, which is getting worse as time passes. (It also was not 57% of the electorate.)

[patman post]

I seem to be an accurate analysis to me with a few important categories missed out.

Whatever that's supposed to mean — but you've effected a passable autistic inability to relate in any positive meaningful way with others in debate on here, in any incarnation, so I guess there's a point in there somewhere...